Explaining on the internet is much more difficult as sometimes these type of conversations are to be heard and not read.

If I were in person with you I could explain all these things. But since that isn't happening it would be better to just move on.

I agree with you, and welcome to MB.

I personally think that you will be a very good contributor to the forums. :)

........meanwhile back at the funny farm.

pot calling all the other non-kettles black?

you said they were "conformists" earlier on

now the Beatles are lazy and cowards AND responsible for anybody who ever taken drugs AND prostitution

Beatles = Satan?

can you take a Beatles lyric and dissect it for its "mediocrity"? using literary sources, if possible, and also in terms of syntax, meter, rhyme and imagery/allegory/metaphor

not everybody can be a shining paragon of virtue - nobody's perfect

cowardice is a human trait - overcoming it is a human strength - it's universal, not American and has nothing to do with the Beatles or the British Invasion - mebbe it started with the "original" British Invasion, i'm sure if America was a nation of native Americans, it'd be "nobler"

because you're not getting your point across, dolt

i think it's easier to communicate with typing, as you need to premeditate longer before you type, unless you're typing stream of consciousness (which I suspect you are)

i think you'd be even worse to talk to in person

Hey, I'm from Dallas too! And I know what you're talking about.

You want to talk about lyrics having a bad effect on culture? Let's talk about rap music. All of those corrupt, crime committing kids in Dallas are not listening to The Beatles, they are listening to rap music. If any music has had a bad effect on culture, it's rap music. I'd take The Beatles early teen love songs over the lyrics of rap anyday. Lyrics that mostly consist of drugs, sex, violence, and big 20 Inch rims. I'm not saying that ALL rap music is like that, it isn't, but a lot of it is. This is the music that is making culture worse. Yes, there were already gangsters and crimes before rap music, but I think it's gotten worse.

Compare the youth of today to the youth of the sixties. The sixties youth was influenced by music that was about peace and love. Look at Woodstock. There were no fights. Complete peace. Then look at Woodstock 99, it was remembered for violence, rapes and fires. I'm sure there hasn't been sucha large scale festival since the original Woodstock that was able to sustain peace. I go to Bonnaroo every year and there is always a violent outbreak somewhere.

I think if anything, the music of the sixties had a good impact on society and the music of today, mainly rap music, is having a bad impact.

The guy's getting an unfair deal now, come on guys. He's tried communicating an opinion, not very well it must be said, but still. The constant berating is becoming more irritating.

Just let it go.

but it's so much fun

I'm just glad to see someone standing up to the bullies.:clap:

It's tough to hold your ground when everyone is going against you. I dont agree that The Beatles or any British band ruined anything. But you have your own mind, think what you want. Way to stick to your guns.

Erasertime does actually have some valid opinions, seemingly based on his own experiences and nobody is really questioning that validity, but if you`re going to try to validate those opinions with music from the British invasion of the 1960s then the whole thing becomes a joke and leaving the whole thing open to be berated. Furthermore, erasertime is not the most receptive of posters and refuses to budge in his opinion, on who is to actually blame on some of the current ills of modern US society.

The British invasion of the 1960 equals some of the ills connected with modern US society is total nonsense. The Beatles v Frank Zappa debate was as ridiculous as they come and the constant I am correct and you (the rest of the forum) are all wrong, has hardly endeared his views on people.

Erasertime has had plenty of time to bow-out, or at least go away and come back with some facts to back up the wild claims, but he he chooses to do none of these and so leaves himself open to more rebuke.

Then how do you explain the fact that the crimes rates in the US are currently the lowest they've been in four decades?

But really, erasertime, I don't think The Beatles have anything to do with the state of things in Dallas, being from Dallas. If any music is having a bad impact, it's rap music.

I was going to point out various other eras compared in relation to the British Invasion and its affects on society earlier.

Rap, Hip Hop, or even the Grunge scene for that matter.

But I actually consider all this to be common knowledge to most music enthusiast already.

Why debate an argument that carries so little value?

That's interesting. I guess the law is becoming more proficient. But still, I think that rap music is instilling this gangster mentality into kids. The crime rate has gone done, but i'm sure the gangster wannabe rate has gone up.

In the 1970s only 201 American cities reported having gangs but by 1998 a total of 1,487 communities reported the presence of gangs. That's an increase of 640% in about 25 years. But over the last decade, that rate seems to have gone down. I guess the law is doing something right.

Because he hasn't said anything about it. So I decided to bring it to his attention so I could see what he thought about it. :pssst:

I think that would lead to more arrests, not necessarily a lower crime rate.

Crimes are harder to commit these days with the increase of technology. Surveillance has gotten better. I didn't even consider this.

i would stop harassing eraserhead if he actually thinks it through before posting

how would a nation tuned to Zappa help?

his lyrics aren't exactly "positive" or teaching people to be "good"

if you want a positive role model, try Stevie Wonder

I agree. How were The Beatles not good role models? They had many songs about peace and love. Especially when George Harrison is holding concerts like The Concert for Bangladesh. That's a good role model in my opinion.

I agree. George Harrison has really redeemed himself. It's entirely different from Bono's self righteous condesending charity which really gets tiresome when he rubs your face in it all the time.:bonkhead:

I hate Bono :laughing:

Thanks! I'm glad your 300th post was addressed to me!

Haha no problem. It was addressed to Bono as well.:laughing:

Safe! Let's go round and egg his house while he's busy proclaiming himself "the ambassador of rock & roll to the people". (Twat)

:offtopic:.... :confused:

Lennon's murder—considered by some to be an assassination due to his high profile—triggered an outpouring of grief around the world on an unprecedented scale. Sales of his music—both with the Beatles and as a solo artist—soared in the months following the murder. Lennon's remains were cremated at Ferncliff Cemetery in Westchester; no funeral was held. Ono sent word to the chanting crowd outside the Dakota that their singing had kept her awake; she asked that they re-convene in Central Park the following Sunday for ten minutes of silent prayer. On 14 December 1980, millions of people around the world responded to Ono's request to pause for ten minutes of silence to remember Lennon. Thirty thousand gathered in Liverpool, and the largest group—over 225,000—converged on New York's Central Park, close to the scene of the shooting. At least two Beatle fans committed suicide after the murder, leading Ono to make a public appeal asking mourners not to give in to despair. Ono released a solo album, Season of Glass, in 1981. The cover of the album is a photograph of Lennon's blood-spattered glasses. A 1997 re-release of the album included "Walking on Thin Ice", the song the Lennons had mixed at the Record Plant less than an hour before he was murdered. Chapman pleaded guilty to Lennon's murder in June 1981, against the advice of his lawyers, who wanted to file an insanity plea. He received a life sentence, but under the terms of his guilty plea became eligible for parole after serving 20 years. Chapman has been denied parole at hearings every two years since 2000 and remains an inmate at Attica State Prison. Because of the Nixon administration's FBI/CIA surveillance to spy and efforts to deport Lennon in the 1970s, there are those who believe the murder might have had political motivation.

source: Death of John Lennon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is true. I believe it might have been politically motivated. But why are you posting this?

In all fairness, he's being a condescending douchebag. Nobody is bullying him, and rather than arguing with people's points he's responding with "I'm sorry if you're too ****ing stupid to understand my point." Even at points literally calling his points detractors 'dense'.

He's just reiterating the point I was trying to make in my first reply. Expanding it to the 10th level of cartoonish exaggeration, and bring in examples that make no sense. If you can't see the fact that he's not only praising the Beatles which he listens to "5 hours a day", while calling them the overrated fall of all society as a sign of pure trolling.

^^and this is coupled with the fact that he's ignoring valid points here and instead play the "victim" to what he perceives is "bullying"

I think that's a bit off topic too. Not that it isn't interesting...

And you found the on topic stuff interesting? About how the Beatles seduced the USA and how Zappa could have been their saviour......if he`d been marketed properly.

You're only denying Zappa's saviour powers that because you're... PLAAAAASTIC PEOPLE!!!