Well he's come back as new to me. :p:

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I'm not going to lie, I'm a sucker for flattery!

And the right price.

Really...? I don't think that Marilyn ... is the only one. Any Joe Bloggs that says "we live in a ****ed up world" I think already knows "the paradox that is society." I don't think that is unique to Marilyn... And to think about it honestly how can an artist who takes half his name from a criminal who wanted to start an apocalyptic race war garner any respect is beyond me. I'm not talking about you personally, I'm talking about Marilyn... himself and his fans.

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Damn straight.

i pretty much agree with most of that. let's just say he does most of the crazy sh*t he does to garner attention. if this is the case, not only was he successful, but he's used it as a doorway to very articulately address issues that he thinks are important. if you've ever watched any of his interviews, you'll probably believe me when i say that i don't derive my respect for him solely on his knowledge of the world being f*cked up. you are right in saying that most people would agree with the paradoxical state of society. to root out the causes and extrapolate on alternative ways of approaching one's perception to the effect that one can understand is an entirely different matter; one that marilyn manson has done some serious thinking about.

first of all, no offense to america, but it's not exactly known to the rest of the world as a mecca of culture, and music is a massive part of culture around the world.

second of all, good luck finding anyone even remotely aware of what's going on in the contemporary world of hip hop who doesn't know immortal technique.

third, no offense, but thank god for the internet, and its ability to hinder mass media's ability to force feed us what garbage they have been since its inception.

fourth, ben howard is huge in the UK.

fifth, 'famous' is a ridiculous term. it has nothing to do with artistic or personal merit the majority of the time, and the lines by which it is drawn have been blurred due to the fact that, generally speaking, people don't stock the charts with veritable information anymore because music can be attained by other means than going to the record store and purchasing a traceable object.

and lastly, if you stop trying to control things, you not only might have a way better time, you might learn something... like who one of the best hip hop artists to ever live is.

> call out America for not being a mecca of culture
> declare Immortal Technique one of the best hip hop artists to ever live

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i sure did.

try abstaining from American film, literature, and music and then tell me it has no culture.

Being intimately familiar with a culture because you're inundated with it doesn't mean it's any less unique & distinctive a culture.

it being no less unique or distinctive does not deem it a mecca either though.

i'm not arguing its contribution, but that inundation has some adverse effects... i'm primarily referring to sopsych's comment essentially stating that if it's not famous in america, it doesn't belong in this thread.