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Isbjørn 02-19-2013 12:15 PM

Dubstep as rebellion against pop music
 
Ok, so I get the idea that a lot of people try to rebel against pop music by listening to other spesific genres, especially dubstep and house. Nirvana seems to be popular in this "movement," too. I can't say that I haven't tried to do the same thing, but I don't get the point of only listening to dubstep and nothing else, it's not THAT good. Have any of you got the same imrpession? Or is it just me?

Norg 02-19-2013 01:54 PM

uhhhh i disagree most dupstep artist grew up on and love pop Music and even mix pop music with there music


has far has the people who listen to Dubstep im pretty sure they love POP music has well


POP music is very likeable IMO when done right ......also for these past wut 12 years tho POP music has taken a back seat to HIP HOP/RNB thats still the king right now IMO

TockTockTock 02-19-2013 11:52 PM

Define pop music please...

Scarlett O'Hara 02-19-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1288042)
uhhhh i disagree most dupstep artist grew up on and love pop Music and even mix pop music with there music


has far has the people who listen to Dubstep im pretty sure they love POP music has well


POP music is very likeable IMO when done right ......also for these past wut 12 years tho POP music has taken a back seat to HIP HOP/RNB thats still the king right now IMO

I can't even understand what you are saying your English is so bad. Is it your first language?

Trollheart 02-20-2013 04:54 AM

Yeah, Norg always gives me the impression he's drunk when writing. Even someone for whom English is not their first language makes more sense than he does. I mean, look at Franco. Okay he says some odd things but you can understand them at least. Norg's like some sort of alien just trying to assimilate our language in order to communicate with us and failing miserab --- hold on a moment: have I just hit on something there? :laughing: :eek:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NG9Hy1_bPU...umb2822032.jpg

misspoptart 02-20-2013 06:03 AM

I love Norg's way of writing, because I can cleary envision what kind of person he is and I think his voice is quite vivid. It makes me laugh when I read it out loud. Although I agree that it is unsightly.

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uhhhh i disagree most dupstep artist grew up on and love pop Music and even mix pop music with there music
has far has the people who listen to Dubstep im pretty sure they love POP music has well
POP music is very likeable IMO when done right ......also for these past wut 12 years tho POP music has taken a back seat to HIP HOP/RNB thats still the king right now IMO
Translation: Excuse me, but I disagree. The majority of dubstep artists have been exposed to popular music since childhood and love it. They even mix dubstep and pop music. As far as those who listen to dubstep, I'm fairly certain that they also enjoy popular music, which is likable, in my opinion, when adeptly crafted. Furthermore, for the past 12 years, approximately, popular music has become less featured in the industry, with Hip-Hop and Rhythm & Blues assuming center stage.

Scarlett O'Hara 02-20-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1288348)
Yeah, Norg always gives me the impression he's drunk when writing. Even someone for whom English is not their first language makes more sense than he does. I mean, look at Franco. Okay he says some odd things but you can understand them at least. Norg's like some sort of alien just trying to assimilate our language in order to communicate with us and failing miserab --- hold on a moment: have I just hit on something there? :laughing: :eek:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NG9Hy1_bPU...umb2822032.jpg

:laughing: You might be right!,

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Originally Posted by misspoptart (Post 1288371)
I love Norg's way of writing, because I can cleary envision what kind of person he is and I think his voice is quite vivid. It makes me laugh when I read it out loud. Although I agree that it is unsightly.



Translation: Excuse me, but I disagree. The majority of dubstep artists have been exposed to popular music since childhood and love it. They even mix dubstep and pop music. As far as those who listen to dubstep, I'm fairly certain that they also enjoy popular music, which is likable, in my opinion, when adeptly crafted. Furthermore, for the past 12 years, approximately, popular music has become less featured in the industry, with Hip-Hop and Rhythm & Blues assuming center stage.

Excellent translation, can you do that everytime he posts? Lol.

misspoptart 02-20-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1288410)
Excellent translation, can you do that everytime he posts? Lol.

If I'm not busy editing real **** at work all day, why not? Hahah. I do enjoy raw Norg, though. Gotta say.

Franco Pepe Kalle 02-20-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cenotaph (Post 1288305)
Define pop music please...

There are so many definitions of POP MUSIC

The Batlord 02-20-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by misspoptart (Post 1288371)
I love Norg's way of writing, because I can cleary envision what kind of person he is and I think his voice is quite vivid. It makes me laugh when I read it out loud. Although I agree that it is unsightly.

Is it just me or does that sound kind of condescending? :laughing:

sidewinder 02-20-2013 10:36 AM

Is it just me or is this thread dumb? Maybe people aren't "rebelling" by listening to dubstep or house or whatever the hell, maybe they just want to listen to it. :confused:

Maybe this is some teenage drama stuff I don't understand.

Trollheart 02-20-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1288476)
Is it just me or does that sound kind of condescending? :laughing:

It's just you. :p:

Key 02-20-2013 03:21 PM

My broken printer makes better music than any dubstep artist.

Norg 02-20-2013 03:23 PM

:tramp:


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Cuthbert 02-21-2013 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1288612)
My broken printer makes better music than any dubstep artist.

Dubstep can be good, most is terrible. You have to do a lot of searching to find good stuff. It's a pretty limited genre though imo.

I don't know about rebelling as the OP words it but I do think some people who listen to Dubstep don't actually like it or the music itself, they just say they do as it's the in thing and they like to be associated with it.

Isbjørn 02-21-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 1288479)
Is it just me or is this thread dumb? Maybe people aren't "rebelling" by listening to dubstep or house or whatever the hell, maybe they just want to listen to it. :confused:

Maybe this is some teenage drama stuff I don't understand.

It seems like when people grow tired of the pop charts they put on a "let's listen to some real music" attitude, and start listening to dubstep instead. That's what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1288042)
uhhhh i disagree most dupstep artist grew up on and love pop Music and even mix pop music with there music


has far has the people who listen to Dubstep im pretty sure they love POP music has well


POP music is very likeable IMO when done right ......also for these past wut 12 years tho POP music has taken a back seat to HIP HOP/RNB thats still the king right now IMO

http://www.sabah.net.my/jim/pics/dog...20keyboard.jpg

ThatBlueFluffyDude 02-21-2013 09:24 AM

i agree actually, Nirvana has suddenly become popular again with house and dubstep. I still go to school and all of the people who 'hate' pop listen to it. It's gotten to the point where people start thinking Guns N Roses and Nirvana were clothing lines -.-

Key 02-21-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1288824)
Dubstep can be good, most is terrible. You have to do a lot of searching to find good stuff. It's a pretty limited genre though imo.

Admittedly, I've heard some pretty cool stuff by looking around on Youtube and seeing suggested videos, but I don't really go out of my way to find dubstep artists. This one however is pretty cool:


Isbjørn 02-21-2013 12:03 PM

Have you heard Klaypex, they're pretty good.

Cuthbert 02-21-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1288917)
Admittedly, I've heard some pretty cool stuff by looking around on Youtube and seeing suggested videos, but I don't really go out of my way to find dubstep artists.

Yep same here, I cannot be bothered to sift through all the shite. The stuff being released now is barely even music.

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This one however is pretty cool:


Not feeling that if I'm honest. Do you not like the older stuff like this?


Digital Mystikz - Anti War Dub - YouTube

AccidentallyAsher 02-21-2013 09:11 PM

The tricky thing with dubstep is that it's a great magnet for visceral listeners; people who are there to feel the music, rather than critically listen to it. It's hard to find true reviews of dubstep, and I'll be the first to say that I'm not even sure on the best way to judge it; it's an amorphous genre at the moment.

Exo 02-21-2013 10:46 PM

Norg is either drunk or Norwegian/Swedish.

Norg 02-22-2013 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoskeletal (Post 1289128)
Norg is either drunk or Norwegian/Swedish.



All i said was Dupstep artist listen to pop music .....

Isbjørn 02-22-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoskeletal (Post 1289128)
Norg is either drunk or Norwegian/Swedish.

I'm offended.

Exo 02-22-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks (Post 1289216)
I'm offended.

I didn't mean it in a bad way. More in a funny english sort of way.

jackhammer 02-23-2013 06:10 PM

Dubstep is just a prefix which ****ty artists get their tracks remixed to a brand new audience and it is certainly NOT a rebellion against Pop music, it probably is the new Pop music unfortunately.

I like the original incarnation of Dubstep so I am completely puzzled how such a niche genre became something else entirely and permeates music so much and not in a good way.

Wubba Wubba basslines are not Dubstep. It's the whole Trance Remix of a track that was big in the late 90's all over again.

The Batlord 02-27-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1289586)
Dubstep is just a prefix which ****ty artists get their tracks remixed to a brand new audience and it is certainly NOT a rebellion against Pop music, it probably is the new Pop music unfortunately.

I like the original incarnation of Dubstep so I am completely puzzled how such a niche genre became something else entirely and permeates music so much and not in a good way.

Wubba Wubba basslines are not Dubstep. It's the whole Trance Remix of a track that was big in the late 90's all over again.

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Norg 02-28-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1291029)

lord JEASUS

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Isbjørn 03-01-2013 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by falanino (Post 1291670)
Because a lot of pop music is targeted to music. Pop itself isn't a genre of music. It just mean popular music. So, I supposed artists such as Two Chains or Kanye West are somewhat popular and targeted at male audiences(although women do listen to them)

But pop music itself is liked by most people, because the patterns in the melody and chord progressions are simple and easy. This means the brain can predict what comes next, and this is why pop music is liked, because it's predictable.

Pop music is targeted to music. Good job, bro.
Anyway, it is scientifically proven that listening to predictable chord patterns increases the amount of dopamine produced, just like some types of drugs do. But pop music is, in fact, a genre (it even has subgenres), highly based on such chord patterns.. The term "pop music" is commonly used as a abbreviation for "popular music", though, which can include everything from rock to hip-hop.

Dayvan Cowboy 03-01-2013 07:15 AM

I hope people know that traditional (pre brostep) dubstep is basically pretty much music built on a formula. Pop music, to a lesser extent, is also built on a formula. I would say that because dubstep is literally completely formulated music, that listening to it to "rebel" against pop would be hypocritical.

Also, what's getting on my nerves is people who think all electronic music is dubstep. I went onto /mu/ today and had some kid say that Aphex is dubstep because "his beats are harsh" or something idiotic. I've seen a music review site list Autechre's new album as dubstep. I think people are forgetting that dubstep isn't squeals and squelchy wubs and was once actually a respectable-- if formulaic genre.

Cuthbert 03-01-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayvan Cowboy (Post 1291881)
I think people are forgetting that dubstep isn't squeals and squelchy wubs and was once actually a respectable-- if formulaic genre.

Agreed.

Screen13 03-01-2013 08:41 PM

Every generation has a music that's a "Rebellion" against Pop Music even if said style just happens to be a part of the Pop world of the moment. The biggest mistake is to like something as a "rebellion against Pop", which is an attitude that usually leads to quick burnout after a while and especially when it fades away from popularity or notice. You either connect with it or not. Sadly, the hyper-competitive attitude is confusing things a hell of a lot and this just may die out very quick.

Actually, a good amount of the small amount I heard sounds like nice fast paced Synth music with New Wave and 90's roots with added attitude with the quiet bits sounding like pretty cool Sci-Fi soundtrack music. This is not a bad thing, just a opinion from someone who was from the Early 80's and surrounded around Electronic music. Maybe I can throw in mentions of Disco and Electronic based 80's Porn Music.

It's possible that this may not go away fast, but possibly evolve in one way or another. This has encouraged a lot of people to create music themselves on a fully Independent level. Although the scene looks very over-crowded, there's bound to be a few good artists to rise above the crap.

It's too early to say anything about it staying around longer than a few years, but it's good to have something that looks towards the future even on a Pop Culture level. I'm not a major listener to it, but it's interesting to see where it goes.

Screen13 03-01-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayvan Cowboy (Post 1291881)
Also, what's getting on my nerves is people who think all electronic music is dubstep. I went onto /mu/ today and had some kid say that Aphex is dubstep because "his beats are harsh" or something idiotic. I've seen a music review site list Autechre's new album as dubstep. I think people are forgetting that dubstep isn't squeals and squelchy wubs and was once actually a respectable-- if formulaic genre.

I also agree. Sadly, there are not that many who are willing to take some time to actually know Electronic Music history.


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