The same thing, backwards.

Rihanna > Monae

Rihanna is an artist

eh eh eh

goodbye.


Rihanna - Umbrella (Orange Version) ft. JAY-Z - YouTube

Lady Gaga is a gimmick just like the rest of her peers. How is she more in control of her image compared to her peers?

So I guess you are not going to produce these receipts of Rihanna writing her own songs before receiving them?

Gotcha! ;)

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I had no idea you sat in the studio and watched those co-writers hand Rihanna songs so that she can only change a word or two.

You must have some great connections.

And I understand that, sex is her brand..I get that but that poster was making it seem like Rihanna was a Whitney or a Luther as far as her vocals lol

Rihanna receives her songs before she records them. She does not participate in a collaborative effort to create the songs. The songwriters who actually write the songs say this themselves.

Burden of proof is not on me anymore.

Ah, yes it is..... because I asked you to provide an article or info where it states she wrote a song and not changed one word of a song that was already a completed song.

Why would anyone have that information? That is not something that is out there.

Yes it is because she has been accused and called out for not writing her songs and stealing credits from her own songwriters and inside industry folk.

So if this poster can provide an actual song that Rihanna has written by herself or help wrote, I would love to know!

Unapologetic (2012)

Loveee Song- Songwriters: Future, Rihanna, Blu June



Receipts...

In an interview for MTV News, Future spoke about his collaboration with Rihanna on her Loveee Song, "They wanted a more uptempo record, so I sent four or five records, and I left the last record. It was more like a ballad, and I left it."
Jay-Z Added Extra E’s To Rihanna’s ‘Loveeeeeee Song’ - MTV

So we know Future had already submitted this song to Rihanna. He had previously sent 4 or 5 COMPLETED songs as he claims. "Loveee Song" which was ORIGINALLY titled Love and Affection was already a completed song BEFORE Rihanna even recorded it!

So there is no way she wrote this song.


He further revealed that the original title of the song was "Love & Affection", however, Rihanna's mentor Jay-Z changed it to "Love Song" and added two additional 'e's becoming "Loveee Song".
Jay-Z Added Extra E’s To Rihanna’s ‘Loveeeeeee Song’ - MTV

So we see that Rihanna's people changed FUTURE'S original title from Love and Affection to "Loveee Song".

I wonder if that is how Rihanna stole this writers credit because she clearly did not participate in writing this song and she has a co- credit.



Seth Firkins recorded the music for "Loveeeeeee Song" together with Future's vocals at Triangle Studios in Atlanta, Georgia.Rihanna's vocals were recorded by Marcus Tovar and Kuk Harrell at Westlake Recording Studios in Los Angeles, California, while it was mixed by Manny Marroquin at Larrabee Studios in Burbank, California.
Jay-Z Added Extra E’s To Rihanna’s ‘Loveeeeeee Song’ - MTV

So we know that Rihanna and Future did not record the song in the same studio. They recorded the song in two seperate studios which further supports that Rihanna had no participation in writing this song since they did not need to record the song in the same studio.


Receipts continued

“The feel and vibe is nice, you couldn’t even tell that by listening to the song, you’d think that we was in the studio, we was around each other [or] we knew each other,” Future said of the song which he also produced, but Jay-Z named, insisting on having seven E’s in the title.

It’s not that the pair went in completely blind. “I talked to her, we had several conversations, but it wasn’t one of those situations,” he said. “I believe we connected in another way and like I said we just haven’t met each other yet so when we meet each other I don’t know how it’s gonna be, because the music is already a smash.
Rihanna And Future Never Met, But Share A Beautiful ‘Loveeeeeee Song’ - MTV

Okay so we now really see that her song writing credit is a stolen credit because she has never even meant Future!!!

So how could she have helped in writing the song if they have never even meant!?!?! If they have never even sat down together?!?!


And please people don't say Rihanna could have helped over the phone because Future already said the song was already completed when he submitted it to her.

Just because someone stole a song doesn't mean she doesn't write her own. That's just a blatant logical fallacy. You're the one who has made the claim that she doesn't write her own songs, so you're the one who has to prove that she doesn't. You've already knocked one down, now you just have seven more albums worth to go.

Read this and get back to me:

Pop Ate My Heart: Lady Gaga, Her Videos, and Her Fame Monster | The House Next Door | Slant Magazine

Of course....... but this has happened more than one time and most of all her songwriters and producers always publicly discuss how her hits and songs are created.

I don't need to show evidence on every single song she has co credit to prove that because her songwriters have openly said that.

They always have claimed to have submitted her songs and writing her songs for her prior to her recording them. Its very public knowledge that she does not write her own songs. NONE of her songwriters or producers have ever publicly insisted, "Rihanna was apart of this song or Rihanna helped write this song"


My point was that her songs are completed when they are submitted before she records them.



Here is another example,

Rated R album (2009)

Rude Boy- Songwriters: Ester Dean, Mikkel S. Eriksen, Tor Erik, Hermansen, Makeba Riddick, Rob Swire, Rihanna

This is the demo/song that was written before Rihanna even recorded it.

Her is the songwriter's original demo


Rihanna's version


They sound exactly the same.

I won't lie and say I don't dance to her music when I am at the club either but... a songwriter she is not. An artist she is not.

Just because a singer gets a songwriting credit does not necessarily mean they are a songwriter or that they even participated in the process to create the song. A songwriter is someone who actually sits down with a pen and paper and writes songs. They don't have to necessarily write a song by them self but they at least have creative input in creating a song from scratch. Writing a song is the same as drawing a picture or sculpting a piece of art work. It takes time, inspiration and obviously.... talent.

In today's industry, multiple things are considered "songwriting" as far as credits and royalties are concerned. However, it does not mean they are the same in practical terms or what is understood to be songwriting. For instance, a singer can change one word around, give a song a different title or add a adlib and still get a credit despite not technically writing the song.

A pop star like Rihanna constantly puts out albums yearly while touring and promoting her self full time, leaving her any time to actually write a song from scratch herself. She has never publicly spoken about writing a song neither has her songwriters or producers for her albums.

Most pop stars of this era do this. Depending on how big they are they can get away with getting a songwriting credit especially if the songwriter wants their song to be on their album. At least Rihanna is not as bad as Beyonce, she is the absolute worst at this!

Could you please edit your posts instead of doubleposting? No offense.

An article that her camp more than likely wrote doesn't really prove anything.

Lady Gaga is a Madonna/David Bowie/Boy George copy cat. I never said she did not have talent but she most definitly is a gimmick.

At least she's better than Nicki Minaj.

As far as actual talent, I agree.


Nikki has a nice flow. If she kept her clothes on and actually rapped about something worth while she would be okay.

gtfo nicki's a banger


Nicki Minaj - HOV Lane (Official Full Track) - YouTube


Nicki Minaj - Lookin Ass (Explicit) - YouTube


Nicki Minaj - Beez In The Trap (Explicit) ft. 2 Chainz - YouTube

Rapping about something worthwhile doesn't sell.

Nobody really wants to hear that.

^Lauryn Hill did it back in 98' she even won 5 grammys for it

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Speaking of Lauryn Hill, Im going to see her along with Janelleand Erykah Badu saturday!!! So excited. I hope Lauryn doesn't show up late though :/

If you're going to accuse Lady Gaga of ripping somebody off, at least make it Grace Jones.

Madonna was a good lead. She has about ten songs that are direct melody ripoffs of Madonna songs. Grace Jones ripped off Cher and Bette Midler so the ripoff circle is complete.

You know how long ago 98' was?

:nono:

Lauryn Hill couldn't repeat that success in this day and age.

lol I know I was just reminding you that once upon a time it could happen ;)

If Lauryn had stayed on the right path she would would have been a superstar by now.

Wow I did forget her!

I also would add Cyndi lauper

I'm not a fan of his, but you could argue Macklemore sings about 'the real world' and still has success.

^ I can't stand him. Move over Justin, Macklemore is the new Elvis!

He has two socially conscious songs out of how many other artists and their club party songs.

He didn't even lead with that song. He went with his catchy party song first.

I don't have a straight answer for this but i have noticed how popularity comes first to professionalism, that is to say you don't have to be the best singer to be the most popular singer but i don't blame the industry for this i blame the consumers, the way i see it is if the masses want ****ty pop singers that's what they'll give us and they'll keep giving them to us as long as the majority of ppl are into that, now hipsters or anyone who falls in the statistics as a minority can also have their brand of music but it won't be as popular..

i think all of us who don't follow every popular trend in music have made peace with that, we know the bands we love aren't exactly the most popular ones yet we also now that most of them also have a cult following so even as a minority there are still thousands of ppl that luv the same bands you love.

I can't take into account ppl's subjective taste in music so i see it as a numbers game, who is the majority and who is the minority.

^Sometimes, I just wanna pinch your little cheeks and give you a gold star. Good job.

Muah! and great post!

I think the masses are very very naive and easily swayed. They seem to conform to what the media tells them to do or what seems popular. If its constantly played on the radio or is marketed as "the best" they eat it up like its candy even if it is mediocre. I am glad I am not like that.

Oh sweet sweet validation how i luv thee~<3

thnx Carpe.

I think this popularity thing goes beyond music though, In movies nowadays any public figure can be an actor, Is Ludacris a good enough actor to appear in all those Fast & The furious movies? No, but he is Ludacris so that's good enough and Ice T who made a song call "Cop killer" is now a Tv cop and ppl always accept this transition because of how popular they are..

i mean that guy from the Real world Mike something is now a professional wrestler! and we just accept this cause we don't really care about qualifications anymore, we know how fake the process is and we still buy into it and if you don't buy into it you're not more special than those who do you just seek another form of entertainment that is probably full of bullsh*t too.

I don't think the masses really want ****ty singers. I just think they don't give a damn and will listen to anything that's popular as long as it doesn't hurt their ears. If, say, Jets to Brazil were heavily marketed, more people would listen to them, which makes them chart higher, which in turn makes even more people listen to them. People are lazy and will listen to whatever's popular at the moment. If crap's on the radio/charts/YouTube top lists, then so be it.

That's the thing though you yourself are part of those masses you just represent another side of it...

even your rebellion is part of the system now, it's all taken into account and that's why you have your brand of music you like, in a way we are just big targets to sell products to, you might think you are special just because of your taste but truth is you are tying your identity to a product that is not sold exclusively to you it is sold to others with similar taste. to mass produced products (Btw im using 'you' as a general term, not you personally realtalk)

good description on the beatles.

I think the minute you start separating yourself from 'the masses' that's when you become elitist and pretentious. We're all consumers, just because we listen to different music it doesn't make us better than everyone else.


And deej - Thrift Shop still kind of had a message.

You are right thats how music snobs are created.

However, I think its good for people to follow their heart and like what they like. To often, society and the media condemns people who choose to be individuals. I think people should like what they like and not conform to what others like simply because its popular. There are a ton of popular things I like but I like it because I like it and its not because I am trying to follow others.