What is music, what is not?

**Frownland** · 12-13-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

So if I put a picture of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in front of someone it somehow equates to the same experience as actually eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It's cute seeing you try to make music analogous to unrelated things.

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Pet_Sounds · 12-13-2014, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It'd be quite different, actually, because generally this disparity between notes would result in pieces of different lengths. Also, from the performer's perspective, it's obviously a very different piece. If you want to be true to the piece (assuming it's written using conventional rests instead of time stamps) you'll be counting the beats still, and this would widely change the experience for the performer. It may still be the same idea that silence is being used, but it is still different if only because of the sheet music alone.

Especially if you're trying to decipher that sheet music. I mean, the bass clef is above the treble clef, ffs.

Chula Vista · 12-13-2014, 09:14 PM

4'33 is to music what peanut butter and jelly is to astrophysics.

**Frownland** · 12-13-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

4'33 is to music what peanut butter and jelly is to astrophysics.

I'm of the opinion that art allows for a broader perspective in defining it than food.

The Batlord · 12-13-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It'd be quite different, actually, because generally this disparity between notes would result in pieces of different lengths. Also, from the performer's perspective, it's obviously a very different piece. If you want to be true to the piece (assuming it's written using conventional rests instead of time stamps) you'll be counting the beats still, and this would widely change the experience for the performer. It may still be the same idea that silence is being used, but it is still different if only because of the sheet music alone.

**Frownland** · 12-13-2014, 09:23 PM

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What an odd way to admit defeat. I'll take it.

The Batlord · 12-13-2014, 09:27 PM

But... they're not making noise. Silence is silence. There's no difference between one silence and the next other than uncontrollable background noise. Whether you've "composed" something or not, it's still the same silence. You might as well just save yourself the effort and not write anything, cause there's no difference either way.

AM I SPEAKING SPANISH, HERE?!

Machine · 12-13-2014, 09:28 PM

On the whole silent composition that has apparently blown up this thread again. A silent piece of music still had the intent to it, and can obviously be orchestrated. Now you can go with or go against this philosophy of music sculpture, but I remember an interview with Cage where he was saying something along the lines of a sound shouldn't be telling me how it feels, but should let me interpret my feelings onto it. He used traffic as an example of sounds that while not orchestrated he was saying after a long while create subtle rhythms. So go against it or not these silent compositions do have artistic merit as music weather liked it hated.

The Batlord · 12-13-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Machine

On the whole silent composition that has apparently blown up this thread again. A silent piece of music still had the intent to it, and can obviously be orchestrated. Now you can go with or go against this philosophy of music sculpture, but I remember an interview with Cage where he was saying something along the lines of a sound shouldn't be telling me how it feels, but should let me interpret my feelings onto it. He used traffic as an example of sounds that while not orchestrated he was saying after a long while create subtle rhythms. So go against it or not these silent compositions do have artistic merit as music weather liked it hated.

That's fine. I've listened to traffic too. It's hypnotic. But, as you said, it's not a composition. Neither is silence. Also, not disputing the artistic merit of a "silent composition", just its nature as a composition.

Zhanteimi · 12-13-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

4'33 is to music what peanut butter and jelly is to astrophysics.

Or what negative space is to painting.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	4'33 is to music what peanut butter and jelly is to astrophysics. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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Machine moon lake inc. Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Detroit Posts: 2,125	On the whole silent composition that has apparently blown up this thread again. A silent piece of music still had the intent to it, and can obviously be orchestrated. Now you can go with or go against this philosophy of music sculpture, but I remember an interview with Cage where he was saying something along the lines of a sound shouldn't be telling me how it feels, but should let me interpret my feelings onto it. He used traffic as an example of sounds that while not orchestrated he was saying after a long while create subtle rhythms. So go against it or not these silent compositions do have artistic merit as music weather liked it hated. __________________ boost my ego listen to me stroke my delay pedal ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither.