I agree, let's see if you do...

Ninetales · 04-19-2015, 10:57 PM

lol you must be a blast at parties

how do you know all your favorite experimental music wasn't created by just putting stuff together?

**Frownland** · 04-19-2015, 10:58 PM

Pop music has quite a bit of diversity as well, and an experimental song can be easy to make as well. I don't find it difficult at this point because I've been doing it for so long and have acclimated to it. A pop song would probably be harder for me (especially since I strive to make music I like as well). You're painting pop music with the same broad brush you're avoiding painting experimental music with.

But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless?

grtwhtgrvty · 04-19-2015, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninetales

lol you must be a blast at parties

how do you know all your favorite experimental music wasn't created by just putting stuff together?

Well all music is just putting stuff together.

Quote:

Pop music has quite a bit of diversity as well, and an experimental song can be easy to make as well. I don't find it difficult at this point because I've been doing it for so long and have acclimated to it. A pop song would probably be harder for me (especially since I strive to make music I like as well). You're painting pop music with the same broad brush you're avoiding painting experimental music with.

Mainstream pop has very little diversity, from a theory standpoint.

Quote:

But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless?

Not at all. My favorite track I've ever made was made in the least amount of time with the least amount of effort.

**Frownland** · 04-19-2015, 11:05 PM

Sure there are similar key changes and such, but there can still be a world of differences between how two artists utilize those changes and vaguely similar melodies.

Ninetales · 04-19-2015, 11:06 PM

why don't we just go back to talking about how great pop is

**Frownland** · 04-19-2015, 11:07 PM

It's all about Dr. Pepper.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 04-19-2015, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jade_City

Again people just talking **** because they're too ignorantly stuck in the past, and just essentially having a temper tantrum. Lmao and hold up, how can anyone say that musicians flaunt their wealth and dont care. Kendricks new album is so engrossed in it's political message there's hardly any braggadocio in there about wealth etc. What are you talking abouuuut

lol, chill out home slice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland

A question about electronic music. I've seen a lot of people complain that electronics used in music make it too easy for anyone to be a musician or something along those lines, because there isn't necessarily any talent behind it. Aside from not agreeing on the talent factor, wouldn't you say that making it easier to make good music is a bad thing? Sure there's a lot of **** out there but that's true for acoustic instruments playing those cheesy love songs you fawn over as well. That's not to mention that electronic music doesn't entirely rule out acoustic instruments, since electronics don't always start off with a synthetic sound but sometimes use recordings of regular instruments and likewise. With electronics, you could easily produce either a Skrillex song or recreate "Within You Without You" to a tee since there is so much that you can do with the technology these days.

This tired argument that the OP puts forward was seen in the rise of rock 'n' roll and the guitar amp gaining popularity. The electric element was seen as synthetic and lacking in the organic sound that you would get from a nice piece of wood. Also with electric guitar strings not having to be so heavy of a gauge do to their amplification, this made it a lot easier for people to play faster on guitar and largely made the instrument easier to play if you were going to choose an electric instrument.

The way I see it, the rise in electronics (which is by no means a new thing, it goes all the way back to the early 1900s ffs) is sort of like the electric guitar. It's revamping an old idea using more modern technology while having the potential to contribute to the evolution of music. However, people have only seen this be used for "evil" ie pop music, which a lot of anti-electronics people seem to hate (except for the music of the glory days before they grew up and matured into a sense of cynicism. Now that was REAL music man). Electronics have been around for a long time, longer than rock music even, and the diversity within the field is immense. You've probably listened to quite a bit of electronic music without even realizing it since the technology has evolved so much.

CN if you're interested in some recs, hit me with a PM.

I don't know. I can't really speak against what you say there, other than maybe you're right. I'm the kind of person that if the individual making a song, is not even using any live instruments at all, and they're just in front of some computers with all of these other electronic items ready to be abused and shaped in to an electronic party anthem...I go straight to thinking they're lazy. Wrong way to think I know, but stuck in my ways, I am.

And yeah. Throw recs my way. I was actually going through my iTunes and found some Pendulum albums (I love Pendulum!), some Innerpartysystem, M83, Daft Punk. So it isn't like I haven't listened to some form of electronic music. I like those four I just mentioned, oh and like Jansz pointed out, Nine Inch Nails. Largely a lot of electronics going on, but a tone of live instruments too. So I really dig it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Well, looking at your last.fm I see there are a couple Nine Inch Nails songs that are among your most played so there's at least some electronic music you like it seems. I'm not sure what direction to point you in since electronic music is such a broad category that encompasses so many things. Since it seems like you dig a lot of harder rocking stuff, maybe some of this electronic music is stuff you'd like:

Every single one of those were weird as hell to listen to, but oddly fun and enjoyable. That third one though had me a little worried, like wtf?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland

Pop music has quite a bit of diversity as well, and an experimental song can be easy to make as well. I don't find it difficult at this point because I've been doing it for so long and have acclimated to it. A pop song would probably be harder for me (especially since I strive to make music I like as well).

But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless?

To me it matters how much effort someone puts in to making their music. I think I'm being a bit tough on electronic 'musicians' by claiming it's lazy. But I'll take everyone's word that it's a lot better than I think and there's more to it, so send those recs and I'll pick through them.

**Frownland** · 04-19-2015, 11:09 PM

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

grtwhtgrvty · 04-19-2015, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

HahahahahahHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

****kkk man

YorkeDaddy · 04-19-2015, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

List of burn centers in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04-19-2015, 10:58 PM	#72 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Pop music has quite a bit of diversity as well, and an experimental song can be easy to make as well. I don't find it difficult at this point because I've been doing it for so long and have acclimated to it. A pop song would probably be harder for me (especially since I strive to make music I like as well). You're painting pop music with the same broad brush you're avoiding painting experimental music with. But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-19-2015, 11:05 PM	#74 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Sure there are similar key changes and such, but there can still be a world of differences between how two artists utilize those changes and vaguely similar melodies. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-19-2015, 11:07 PM	#76 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	It's all about Dr. Pepper. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-19-2015, 11:09 PM	#78 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly ...but you're a fan of Filter. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-19-2015, 10:57 PM	#71 (permalink)
Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	lol you must be a blast at parties how do you know all your favorite experimental music wasn't created by just putting stuff together?

04-19-2015, 11:06 PM	#75 (permalink)
Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	why don't we just go back to talking about how great pop is