The Wrong Generation Argument, Does it really matter?
 

Yes, I think music was better because there wasn't as much corporate influence but then again... society hasn't really changed. We haven't radically changed our way of life, we've had computers yes; we treat other races differently yes but what's different about the 50's compared to 2015 except the music?

People often want to be a part of something but then again, there are tons of things you can be a part of; so what if you weren't a part of The Beatles. There will always be a festival or a band that'll grasp it's influence over the world. You don't have to be there or even have met one of the Beatles; all you have to do is take what they provided and make it into your own.

People often want to seem cool by dejecting the new music; I do admit that the new music isn't as appealing but that's only because of laziness. People don't put as much effort into things to create a unique sound that sticks within people's minds; they take electronics for granted. Electronics can do amazing things, so can guitars and pianos. Even dubstep can sound incredible if certain people thought outside the box. I think the music people have assumed that people don't even care anymore; that is incorrect. I think the musicians need to realize that it's effort that causes people to like musicians.

Also people need to find better ways of being cool, be yourself; don't follow. The Wrong Generation isn't even original anymore, it's more like a bulletin point for defining yourself.

I'm waiting for the point in time where things suddenly change and we wouldn't have this corporate saturated era but alas, we have The Wrong Generation.

Also those who focus on the whole "digital sales going up, CD sales going down" are not looking at the whole picture. Whole picture being licensing deals for older artists, promotion to get the word out, radio control (including YouTube, Pandora, Spotify) and indie label distribution. I get that they make things easier but take ever Bandcamp artist that should be more popular then they are; it would be much easier if we didn't have this major label stuff.

Oh look, another person who has no idea what the hell they're saying. :stupid:

I tend to only care about my opinion if I'm the first one to have that opinion. Instead of saying I'm from the wrong generation I say I'm from the wrong planet.

Oh wait: Sun Ra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is such an ignorant thread.

This generation is more DIY than any of the other generations. This is literally the generation where the mainstream corporations have the least influence and the least draw. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, the corporations and record labels decided who became famous, what you heard, what became famous, etc.

Now we have kickstarter. We have DIY. We have DAWs. We have platforms for people to express and promote themsleves.

You are so ****ing beyond ignorant. I am so tired of coming onto this forum and having to correct someone who thinks this exact thing. Every single day there is someone new making this identical thread and I just don't have the energy to write an essay as to why they are wrong so I'm just going to say flat out that you are wrong and you are out of touch and you have no idea what you are talking about even remotely.

Why do so many of you speak without even remotely thinking? Why do you have opinions that aren't even remotely based in logic or reality or any level of rationality whatsoever. Literally how do you even draw these conclusions?

The mainstream hasn't changed at all. The alternative, experimental scene has only gotten bigger, and over time, pushed the mainstream further and further into irrelevancy. It's so blatantly obvious and I have no idea why so many of you need to have this spelled out for you to understand it.

Educate yourself before you make threads so you don't end up looking stupid.

You think society hasn't changed but society has changed, drastically, and the methods that we express fringe art has changed drastically. You're delusional if you think that music in the 60s/70s/etc wasn't corporate as ****. It was way more corporate than it is now, that's 100% for sure.

Thanks for the random page link. Now knock it off with the insults.

Wasn't random.

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and disregarding the pointlessness of your post, continuing as I was regardless of what you say.

It sure looks that way.

Refusal to stop insulting people noted. Enjoy your time off.

I would have to say that has to win the prize for Most Stupid Post of the Month! To say to a mod (especially a lenient one like Jansz) essentially "**** you, I'll do what I want!" If he'd said that to Urban I doubt we'd ever see him again. Dickhead. :rolleyes:

Incidentally, in case you were unaware Jansz I think he was pointing to the flamewar between YorkeDaddy and Black Francis in that thread. But two wrongs don't make a right. I think he got away very lightly. If I'd been a mod I would have found it hard to show that sort of restraint. Guess that's why I'm not one. ;)

I don't think what he said was that bad at all. Maybe he was a bit too snappy with the reply, but he had a point. OP is just talking **** lmao.

Opinion noted. The issue, however, isn't that he made one insulting post, it's that he habitually makes insulting posts and has continued doing so even after previous warnings and being temp banned for it very recently.

Real simple answer: music is more interesting now than it has ever been. So no the argument dosent matter.

Yes, they do. If a person really enjoys music, then it's nothing more than "I don't want to." There's nothing wrong with that. Where the rub comes in is when they try to tell me there's no good music being made or that no one's had any talent since the mid-20th century, as if talent exists in a time vacuum.

Laziness is a part of it, sure, although that can be an oversimplification of the resistance. I also think that rejecting new music is a natural reaction to anything foreign. Any new activity takes effort to acclimate to if you want to pull yourself out of your comfort zone. If you haven't met someone before, you need time to feel out what kind of person they are. If you've never bungee jumped before, you're probably going to need time to feel it out. If you've never heard dubstep before, then, well, brace for impact. It takes effort, time, and a lot of patience to bring in new influences, let alone experiment with new musical sounds as a non-musician listener. Unless you're really into music, why bother?

I have found tons of new songs that to me stick in my mind, but it's just my personal taste. No one is obligated to care about new music.

I don't hear anyone complaining about how electric guitars changed rock and roll, yet somehow that gets a pass from people who criticize technological advancements in music. I've largely stopped trying to convince people that there is still good music being made. Just so we make sure the pot meets the kettle here, I, myself at times, need convincing that good hard rock is still being made ;).

It's more interesting to me to read what someone on MB says about a band, click on the video, and see for myself. This, rather than some paid radio guy playing what he's told to play. I love the new system. It allows me to support a modern artist that wouldn't have been given the time of day on a major or even indie label under the old gatekeeper system. Not so much on this site, but on other music boards I've seen, it amazes me how many people there are on them who don't seem to enjoy music at all -- unless it's their music, which is, of course, sacrosanct.

Another point that I would like to make is that a lot of artists are bad at self-promotion, which is why they benefited from labels back then. I'm still surprised with how easy it is to spread music that a lot of artists haven't made their music directly available on those channels: YouTube, Bandcamp, Soundcloud, iTunes, etc. But maybe it's like a Sting quote I remember, which I will paraphrase: "I am an artist, not a businessman."

Yes. I heard this kind of thing a lot growing up: "Such and such an artist, book, appropriate cultural norm, etc., is good and/or crap." One of the things you learn when you get into the real world is that what people used to tell you was good [music, books, culture...] was really nothing more than their opinion.

Hi. OP here. Disregard the entire post; I was being very stupid... aux-in I actually agree with several of your points; the new model works and well new music takes time to actually get into and yes, it's all opinion.

I feel dumber for reading my own post.

We all mess up sometimes, it's no big deal. :thumb:

It takes a fat man to admit he was wrong.
Sorry. Big man I mean. It takes a big man... :laughing: