I caught you red-handed in the "What Are You Listening To?" thread, playing some of the most cookie cutter melodic metalcore I've ever heard, some sub-Bullet for My Valentine ****, and now u do dis? Dude...

I said some. Pop sensibility is apparent in most genres. What you're doing here is attempting to take what I said, and make it mean something different than my intended point. I didn't say I haven't or don't listen to some of that cookie cutter crud, Beartooth is not the worst of what is out there as far as music that is stuck and unoriginal. I just said I loath most of it, which leaves room for some of it to slip by and not entirely gut me.

Besides. You listen to Ke$ha, who you claim has some great music, but all I hear is a chick that tries too hard and isn't any better than Britney Spears in my book.

I ****ing love Britney Spears.

Get that crap outta here!

That song is infinitely better than your little Beartooth video. That **** isn't a tenth of the earworm that "Break the Ice" is.

I'm not a Pop fan so not a big surprise that I don't agree with that. Maybe if I actually tried listening to Pop and not go in to it with the mindset that I'm going to be bored by subject matter and sounds raped to the nth degree by these poptarts without an ounce of creativity or vision, I could find something I liked and not care about those things, because those things are what Pop is in my book.

Start with Madonna.

Heard all of those songs already and a handful of others, she's one Pop artist I think is pretty talented and don't turn my nose up to if I hear a song of hers, however when you talk about her new stuff...wtf happened?

Can I just say that I don't think that there's no talent in the Pop industry, because there is and I've heard it, I still hear it now and then these days too. I'm just so tired of Pop artist these days playing it safe, putting out albums they know will sell because it markets a sound that's ridiculously popular, but they're albums that are so contrived or mundane, and that's two big issues for me with Pop in general.

You know those bands I listen to Batty that you detest? I listen to them because I hear things from them that I can appreciate, like honest music, or music that has something to say, rather than music that talks at you because people want to hear a song that is upbeat or bubbly, or talks about nothing really meaningful, and you know I've always had a pet peeve with any song from any nameable genre that really has nothing to say, it's just words with no particular meaning with backing music that's just there to well, be there. I haven't been able to move passed that fact in regard to Pop, the music says nothing to me, how many songs do I have to hear that talks about nail polish, hair, women being empowered, so on and so forth before a Pop artist finally comes along and has things to say and doesn't pander to the popular crowd to play it safe?

Give me someone new, not Ke$ha, that you think I could get in to Batty. I don't care if it's bubbly, materialistic sh*t, just hit me with some Pop recs from this current generation, I've heard a lot of the old stuff already.

I don't know if this would be considered pop, but I found it really quite excellent. Irish, too! :)


Also I think we'd most of us agree that Chvrches is some current pop we can all get behind?

I actually didn't mind that, liked her voice, catchy too. I could listen to more like this maybe, if it were varied enough and wasn't just one thing the entire album through.

Chvrches is a group I haven't really heard anything by, I just know who they are. Suppose I'll YouTube them now...