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Pet_Sounds 01-15-2016 05:37 AM

I guess Buddha of Suburbia stands out among his soundtracks because only one track was featured in the show. (Hell, if we call that a soundtrack, so is Blackstar.) Plus, it's a much better album than Labyrinth or Christiane F. The brackets look good to me.

I propose we come up with cheesy Bowie-themed names for each--I don't know, maybe the second bracket could be called "Fame" and the third "A New Career in a New Town." :D

Trollheart 01-15-2016 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1669761)

Edit: What does everyone thinking of tossing in Labyrinth?

What you do in the privacy of your own home, to whatever soundtrack, is your business. Just make sure you clean up afterwards. ;)

(In the temporary absence of The Batlord, this has been a Trollheart Smut Comment, copyright Batty Enterprises MMIV-VI)

That list looks great, Grindy. Do we stick with studio albums? That suits me, as I won't be doing his live ones in the discography, but I have heard some of his live material is pretty special. Happy to leave it as it is though if everyone is happy.

That being the case, when do you want to start voting, and how long do you think is needed for voting periods so that everyone can, if they haven't already, listen to the albums?

grindy 01-15-2016 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1669916)
What you do in the privacy of your own home, to whatever soundtrack, is your business. Just make sure you clean up afterwards. ;)

(In the temporary absence of The Batlord, this has been a Trollheart Smut Comment, copyright Batty Enterprises MMIV-VI)

That list looks great, Grindy. Do we stick with studio albums? That suits me, as I won't be doing his live ones in the discography, but I have heard some of his live material is pretty special. Happy to leave it as it is though if everyone is happy.

That being the case, when do you want to start voting, and how long do you think is needed for voting periods so that everyone can, if they haven't already, listen to the albums?

I love his live albums, I've been actually listening to them more than his studio albums lately.
But his live discography is somewhat messy, with albums like the 3CD set of BBC recordings or the live Ziggy "soundtrack" where it'd be difficult to decide whether to include them. I'd say we limit this to the studio albums. We might decide on a completely detached live survivor if we aren't sick of it all after this one.
As for the time frame and organisation, you guys should decide. I've hardly ever participated in such threads before.

Trollheart 01-15-2016 05:55 AM

Sounds good to me. So maybe a week for each round? Would that be enough time to listen to five albums?

The Batlord 01-15-2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1669921)
Sounds good to me. So maybe a week for each round? Would that be enough time to listen to five albums?

I say give it four days for a first round, and extend it if need be, afterwards two days a round has always been my policy.

Trollheart 01-15-2016 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1669969)
I say give it four days for a first round, and extend it if need be, afterwards two days a round has always been my policy.

You think that's enough time for people to potentially listen to five albums? Anyone else want to weigh in? Personally I don't think that's enough time...

Welcome back, by the way.

grindy 01-15-2016 10:22 AM

I could imagine that most of us here already know at least 1-2 album in each battle.

The Batlord 01-15-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1669974)
You think that's enough time for people to potentially listen to five albums? Anyone else want to weigh in? Personally I don't think that's enough time...

Welcome back, by the way.

You don't want too much downtime in a battle when it looks like everyone who's going to vote has already voted. If people need more time then they can request an extension, but otherwise keep it moving.

Trollheart 01-15-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1669981)
You don't want too much downtime in a battle when it looks like everyone who's going to vote has already voted. If people need more time then they can request an extension, but otherwise keep it moving.

OK. You're the Survivor Thread king: I'll defer to your wisdom.
So, when to start? Thinking maybe Monday? Give everyone who wants to a chance to pre-listen to some of the later albums...

JGuy Grungeman 01-15-2016 12:39 PM

Monday or Tuesday sounds good.

Pet_Sounds 01-15-2016 02:44 PM

I've heard every single album listed here at least three times, so I'm ready whenever you guys are.

Trollheart 01-17-2016 11:06 AM

OK Batty here I need your help. On your survivor threads it's always the full list, and usually select 4 to vote off. Now, if we don't do that for this one, and have say the first round of 4 albums, is it vote one off each time, or how do we do it? I'm not familiar with running/organising these, so your expertise will be appreciated.

The Batlord 01-17-2016 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1670587)
OK Batty here I need your help. On your survivor threads it's always the full list, and usually select 4 to vote off. Now, if we don't do that for this one, and have say the first round of 4 albums, is it vote one off each time, or how do we do it? I'm not familiar with running/organising these, so your expertise will be appreciated.

I've actually stayed true to a PM that William sent me way back when my thread was first starting, as he was the originator of the survivor thread.

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1. Keep your vote count high to at least three in the beginning because it prevents you from having to many ties if you have a low voter turnout. (say 4 bands with two votes each)

I usually go 4 till 8, three to 6, 2 to four, and than down to 1 for the final three.

It also keeps it more interesting for the voter (it gets boring if your voting the same two bands off for ten rounds.)
Obviously with the smaller number of albums per battle this won't be that useful, but I'm just throwing it out there for reference. I'd say that with battles ranging from around 3-5 albums it would just make sense to vote off one album per round across the board. There should be enough people participating that having higher vote counts shouldn't be needed to counteract low turnout.

Trollheart 01-17-2016 12:59 PM

Thanks. Yeah, I thought one per round would probably be best, till we're left with just one in say the first round, then begin the second. And then the winner from each round faces off against the winners of the other rounds later, yeah, till one album comes out on top?

The Batlord 01-17-2016 01:14 PM

Pretty much.

Trollheart 01-18-2016 01:08 PM

Alright, let's get this thing going. Thanks to grindy for the great list, and Batty for his sage comments. Having been the ones to run the Metal Survivor thread and the Rock Album Survivor thread, which has not yet got underway yet, I'll defer to him and TLP if there are any issues as to how this is run.

So, the first round then:

Round 1:
David Bowie (1967)
David Bowie (Space Oddity) (1969)
The Man Who Sold the World (1970)
Hunky Dory (1971)

Vote 1 album off. Voting ends January 22

grindy 01-18-2016 01:31 PM

David Bowie (1967)

That was easy.


Could you add the full list to the OP?

GD 01-18-2016 02:41 PM

Yeah, the obvious choice here is David Bowie (1967).

Pet_Sounds 01-18-2016 03:07 PM

1967. Still a good album, but not up to the others' standards.

Stephen 01-18-2016 03:59 PM

Yep. David Bowie (1967) never did much for me.

Cuthbert 01-18-2016 04:56 PM

Another vote for 1967. Some rubbish on there in all honesty.

midnight rain 01-18-2016 11:47 PM

Are you breaking them up into chunks of 4 by chronological order? I think that's a bad way to do it since you have some uber strong stretches from Bowie (see: the 70s) and some uber bad ones (see: 85-95).

Who's gonna want to eliminate Lodger in the first round, and then have to pick one of those turds from the late 80s?

grindy 01-19-2016 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by midnight rain (Post 1671088)
Are you breaking them up into chunks of 4 by chronological order? I think that's a bad way to do it since you have some uber strong stretches from Bowie (see: the 70s) and some uber bad ones (see: 85-95).

Who's gonna want to eliminate Lodger in the first round, and then have to pick one of those turds from the late 80s?

That's the idea. We tried to have albums of vaguely the same level of quality and more or less similar style in every round if possible. That makes for a much more interesting battle. Of course the late eighties stuff for example will be voted off immediately, once we pit the individual battle's winners against each other, but so what? There will still be enough good albums from his good periods left to make it interesting.

Plainview 01-19-2016 12:46 AM

1967 again. It's not even as bad as people make out though really.

grindy 01-19-2016 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Plainview (Post 1671099)
1967 again. It's not even as bad as people make out though really.

I listened to it the first time in preparation for this thread and I thought it was pretty annoying.
His voice is already unmistakable and I guess it's quite an achievement for a debut of someone that young, but overall it's rather bad.

Hypocrisy 01-19-2016 02:37 AM

Don't dig the debut , '67, again.

Trollheart 01-19-2016 05:20 AM

I wasn't half as unimpressed with the debut as I expected to be. As I'm finding with Discographius Trollheartus Enormicus, not too many bands, even really favourite ones of mine, can impress with their first outing. He does. Even so, yeah, of the first four, there's no doubting which goes out of the contest first.

David Bowie (1967)

grindy 01-19-2016 11:01 AM

Perhaps you should change the thread title to reflect that Round I has begun.
It might also be useful to have the full list in the OP, so that people can plan ahead with their votes and as a general overview.

Trollheart 01-19-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1671234)
Perhaps you should change the thread title to reflect that Round I has begun.
It might also be useful to have the full list in the OP, so that people can plan ahead with their votes and as a general overview.

Read my usertitle....

grindy 01-19-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1671243)
Read my usertitle....

As far as I know, the ones who run a survivor thread usually contact a mod to change the title accordingly.
And I'm pretty sure you don't need to be a mod to edit one of your own posts.

Trollheart 01-19-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1671254)
As far as I know, the ones who run a survivor thread usually contact a mod to change the title accordingly.
And I'm pretty sure you don't need to be a mod to edit one of your own posts.

I will, and you do, if it's the thread title. Once that's set, it's set and you have to ask a mod to change it.

On that, could a mod please change the title to
Bowie Album Survivor: Round One
please?
TYVM

grindy 01-19-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1671258)
I will, and you do, if it's the thread title. Once that's set, it's set and you have to ask a mod to change it.

On that, could a mod please change the title to
Bowie Album Survivor: Round One
please?
TYVM

You might have misunderstood me. I was also talking about adding the full album list to your first post. You really don't need to be a mod for that.
You edit your OP in Love Or Hate all the time after all.

Trollheart 01-19-2016 12:25 PM

Sorry, I was only referring to the bit about the title change. But yeah, that makes sense. Will do.

Floydy 01-19-2016 01:00 PM

New to forum here, but I'll join in if I may.

Yep, off with the first album.
I actually prefer the earlier Pye singles to the novelty stuff on the Deram debut.

grindy 01-19-2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Floydy (Post 1671310)
New to forum here, but I'll join in if I may.

Yep, off with the first album.
I actually prefer the earlier Pye singles to the novelty stuff on the Deram debut.

Welcome to MB!
Nice to see new members participate in something like that, doesn't happen very often.

Floydy 01-19-2016 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1671311)
Welcome to MB!
Nice to see new members participate in something like that, doesn't happen very often.

Cheers Grindy!
I did briefly join MB a while back but actually forgot I was still a member! Anyhow I'm back and ready to get stuck in on here.:thumb:

Trollheart 01-19-2016 01:12 PM

Yep, welcome. Your vote has been counted.

I wonder if you've ever heard of a band called Pink ... Floyd, I think it is? :thumb:

grindy 01-19-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1671313)
Yep, welcome. Your vote has been counted.

I wonder if you've ever heard of a band called Pink ... Floyd, I think it is? :thumb:

It's Pink Freud. Pink Freud Discography at Discogs
I doubt he has, they're pretty obscure.

Floydy 01-19-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1671313)
Yep, welcome. Your vote has been counted.

I wonder if you've ever heard of a band called Pink ... Floyd, I think it is? :thumb:

Ha. Thanks bud.
Aye, The Floyd are my fave band obviously. You can keep that other Pink lass away tho'.;)

Floydy 01-19-2016 01:27 PM

Thanks for the heads up on Pink Freud. No, I hadn't heard of them and I'll YouTube some of their stuff thanks, they sound 'different'.
Sorry guys, back to topic...Without me trawling through the past 8 pages, am I correct in saying that you'll be listing each four albums in turn and voting one off, or keeping the remaining three and adding the next, etc?
It's a good idea anyway and I have my favourite four and see how that list compares at the end of all this.


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