Examples? If they're not outstanding then why do you like them? Art has fluid value, it's not like an unpolished song with a lot of charm is a lesser art because it's unpolished.

That's just a pretentious view on what art is supposed to be, quit trying to draw lines and let it flow free. Art is always a reflection of ourselves and the world around us. The world around us is not always intricate or thoughtful. Some times things are simple, silly and pointless. To think art that reflects that and tries to invoke that feeling doesn't hold the same merit as other art is dumb.

So what keeps it from being an outstanding piece of art if you already enjoy it and (generally) the goal of that medium is to be enjoyed? You don't have to prove anything to us, man.

Point is maybe you should question the criteria of what you use to judge anything if you enjoy something that isn't of that criteria.

So by saying this are you implying that determining the quality of art isn't also arbitrary?

Shouldn't have to defend anything you enjoy.

Edit: Unless it's baby rape.

It is fair, but not really consistent with what we've been talking about though isn't it? That was a rhetorical question, I am well aware that it is not consistent.

I gave up on thinking about music as art like that years ago. You know, in terms of how high it is on some arbitrary scale of cultural worth/source of cultural capital/artistic depth and meaningfulness or whatever. Guilty pleasures don't exist in my world. If I like it, it's good music. I take music seriously as "art" in some sense, as long as I find that it's well made and expressive. Doesn't matter if it's Schöenberg og Kylie Minogue.

A lot of times music that seems simple is actually much more layered than you realize.

So is war. Wake up America. *megaphone drop*