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josht23musiclover 12-10-2017 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Blank. (Post 1902408)

Ratings are not a measurement of perfection. You cannot measure perfection in art. You can only measure personal enjoyment.

I completely agree. I could further apply this to what I've been saying but I think it's gone too far already :P It's not a big deal.

Blank. 12-10-2017 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by josht23musiclover (Post 1902409)
I completely agree. I could further apply this to what I've been saying but I think it's gone too far already :P It's not a big deal.

You should watch this video. This guy gets into the rating system and its flaw. The same flaw this thread is guilty of.



Why spend so much time discussing a number rather then discussing the contents of the art. Why should I care about Anthony Fantano giving the album a 4. It's the more specific details he gives that I care about.

josht23musiclover 12-10-2017 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Blank. (Post 1902411)
You should watch this video. This guy gets into the rating system and its flaw. The same flaw this thread is guilty of.



Why spend so much time discussing a number rather then discussing the contents of the art. Why should I care about Anthony Fantano giving the album a 4. It's the more specific details he gives that I care about.

I'll watch it shortly, a bit busy atm.

I agree also regarding content vs rating. It's just that this is a rating thread being used to determine what is a classic or not.

Blank. 12-10-2017 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by josht23musiclover (Post 1902413)
I'll watch it shortly, a bit busy atm.

I agree also regarding content vs rating. It's just that this is a rating thread being used to determine what is a classic or not.

You're missing the general idea of what's being tried to achieve and that's just conversation about music itself.

Right now we have the conversation away from Bowie and his 72 classic to the positives and negatives of a rating system. What's happening in the poll should be meaningless to a small extent.

josht23musiclover 12-10-2017 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blank. (Post 1902415)
You're missing the general idea of what's being tried to achieve and that's just conversation about music itself.

Right now we have the conversation away from Bowie and his 72 classic to the positives and negatives of a rating system. What's happening in the poll should be meaningless to a small extent.

Fair call: my apologies.

rostasi 12-10-2017 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1902403)
Yeah. The reason Starman scored a 14/10 is cause I am factoring in an four extra credits cause the song is going beyond and above the call of duty. It goes beyond the regular "oh, it's a good song." They did every thing right so they gets a normal 10/10. But it has a certain je ne sais quoi. There is something more about it, something mythical, something magical, so the need for 4 extra credit points being added to its 10/10. It totally makes good sense to me.

Why "4" and not 30 extra points? I mean, why not; since we're in meaningless meta-mathematical no man's land? The reason it doesn't work as if you're grading papers is because rating things based on taste, is, like I said earlier, usually linear. Going by your logarithmic way, it would mean that Frownland's score of 5 would mean that the album was worse than a failure (something that's as "meaningful" as 14 out of ten). Same thing if you apply it to any other product review - Yelp or otherwise. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't say, "The movie went 'beyond and above the call of duty," so I give it 140%" or a Yelp review of a restaurant that gives it a 3 star (meaning "good") would, in your system, be a complete failure at an equivalent 60%.

If we really are just wanting to talk about the music, then why even have the rating system? 'Cause that's what we do here - pit people and things against each other.

I'm rethinking my review. Since I think it's a cool record, I'll have to take the formula for the speed of sound thru ice and calculate each tune's placement within each calculated sound/time space and probably have to resort to Baire's Theorem to come up with a similar meta-math that gives an answer outside rational boundaries ... or, I'll just continue with the scale of "1" equaling "crap," "5" equaling "average," and "10" being nearly unobtainable perfection.

rubber soul 12-10-2017 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Blank. (Post 1902331)
Lol. You're still mad about that? Dude, I don't care. Go cry about it somewhere else. Make your vote count or don't.




I'm not mad. I just didn't know whether I was welcome here. Believe me, you're really not worth it.

Anyway, yeah, I gave it a 10/10. I only rate Hunky Dory higher as far as Bowie albums go and the influence Ziggy Stardust had in rock n roll is pretty much insurmountable.

grindy 12-10-2017 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 1902443)
I'm not mad. I just didn't know whether I was welcome here. Believe me, you're really not worth it.

You absolutely are. One of the best new members imo.

Trollheart 12-10-2017 05:44 AM

Up to yourself, Blank, of course, but if you wanted you could replace the ratings with just results the way we do it in the album club: Loved it, Liked it, Hated it etc. Might make it easier for people to rate. Then the more Loved it you get the better the chance the album has of being a classic. Or not. Just a suggestion.

OccultHawk 12-10-2017 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1902446)
You absolutely are. One of the best new members imo.

He also has a huge penis :love:


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