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08-26-2021, 06:08 PM | #11 (permalink) | |||
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You are certainly not alone in your concern about cultural appropriation, TH. It's a tricky topic, but I thought these comments were particularly good:-
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It also moves the discussion away from cultural appropriation, and towards the connection between singing and acting. It is therefore the perfect chance to bring up this old thread of mine:- https://www.musicbanter.com/general-...t-fiction.html Not much analysis, but it has a few more examples and reaches the staggering conclusion that, er, we like some songs, but not others. EDIT: A better way to say that might be: We allow ourselves to be convinced by some songs, but we balk at accepting others.
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08-27-2021, 06:51 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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It's a thorny issue for certain. I'm finding in my new country music journal that the contribution made by African-American musicians to the genre, including the introduction of the banjo, was totally erased from history until recently. This is particularly galling in what became, let's make no bones about it, one of the most racist music genres. They really wanted it to be a whites-only club, but if you dig a little there is a whole host of black men and women standing behind the so-called giants of the genre.
And then you have the first ever real country hit, written by a white man, sung by a white man, in which an old slave remembers his old master and mistress fondly. I don't think it's possible to be more disturbing and disgusting than that.
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08-29-2021, 06:29 AM | #14 (permalink) | |
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The music industry works in a more abstracted way and it's not immediately damning, but it's definitely something to be conscious of. Some artists make up for it by bringing artists from the cultures that influenced their sound onto their tours, labels, and such, which I think is a great approach for it despite still being a crumb approach. Sublime Frequencies is the plutonic ideal of that but I think the Grateful Dead are a good example too.
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08-29-2021, 06:45 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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It was more on the idea of "taking" in the context of cultural appropriation. Elvis with black or Hawaiian culture would be a better example.
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So the idea is basically you feel that someone should be compensated for general ideas that someone utilizes to make a lot of money from, right? Why would that have anything to do with cultures? For example, say that Taylor Swift has a family that doesn't at all believe in sharing wealth, and Taylor Swift has a living-below-the-poverty-line sister who actually came up with a lot of ideas that Taylor based music on. Should Taylor's sister be compensated? |
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08-29-2021, 06:53 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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Right. My post is a better representation of the idea than that framing though.
I focused on cultures because the discussion is about cultural appropriation. Ja pay the underdog Swift.
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08-29-2021, 06:59 AM | #19 (permalink) | |
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(1) General ideas, not specific expressions, deserve compensation when they're capitalized on (which is a big can of worms even if we agree with copyright law, because provenance is so hard to establish) combined with (2) A general economic egalitarianism where there's a belief that (1) is a reasonable way to try to shoot for this. It's not really a point about the ethics of cultural appropriation per se or about "ownership" relative to cultures, specifically, regardless of the financial situation involved. (For example, a lot of people who have a problem with cultural appropriation would have a problem with Taylor Swift exploiting Singaporean cultural tropes, even though Singapore is one of the wealthiest countries in the world.) |
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08-29-2021, 07:10 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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Retribution should reach all spheres of exploitation but the cultural level, especially when it falls along nationalistic lines, is one of the more obvious cases to recognize and resolve.
Singapore is wealthy but doesn't have the industry influence that an American mainstream artist like Swift would have, not really comparable imo. Even so, it'd be pretty cool if she spotlighted the Singaporean artists that influenced her if she doesn't already (not familiar with her career outside of that one single that made her big tbh).
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