Brand New -v- Taking Back Sunday
 

So wats everyones opinion??Personally i find i really hard to decide and go through phases of lovin one more than the other!
Musically i think Brand New are far more talented but i would listen to TBS a lot more!
(Hope this hasn't been asked before)

Brand New makes songs that resemble music.

I like Brand New much more then Taking Back Sunday.. i used to listening to a lot of Taking Back Sunday, and alot of Brand New around the same time.. but i found Brand New how a much better sound, and there lyrics seemed to be more meaningful.. I mean Taking Baker Sunday does have amazing songs/and lyrics to boot but well Brand New just has so much more.. Taking Back Sunday aren't as good as what they used to be either, there just turning to crap..

I'm so gald this wasn't Finch V. Brand New cause really i wouldn't know how to answer.. *gups.. *

Well adam can actually sing, and instrumentally they're equal. Lacey makes some decent lyrics overall nothing special. On the first album they totally ripped off taking back sunday, which is a minus on their part. Deja Entendu gets old fast, TBS doesn't I can listen to them and not get bored, so taking back sunday.

i thought it was the other way around?

anyway brand new is currently my all time favorite band so its obvious that im gonna pick them. but i probably enjoy taking back sunday just as much.

No, Jesse Lacey was TBS's singer for awhile, he took their sound and used it. Even if it was the other way around which i doubt, TBS did it better. Plus adam can actually sing.

So you're saying that finch and straylight run were both off shoots of TBS?

Straylight Run has two members of TBS so I would say so, I havn't really checked out Finch's lineup with the exception of Nate much.

Who the fuck was in TBS from Finch??

And. Brand New. . . I like TBS and all, sometimes, but I listen to brand new about 5 times more often than I do TBS. Specially as TBS' later album Ive only managed to listen to twice, doesnt leave a lot of material for listening.

hmm.
I think i'll have to go for Brand New.
I like them both, but have always liked Brand New abit more.

I hate Brand New. I think they're annoying. TBS is better but they're not that good.

agreed ^.

Brand New wins. Without a doubt. TBS is crap. They are the one band I hate the most. Probably...

K, I am way bored so I read stuff on TBS/Brand new and kind of looked into other things lyrically and it interested me greatly *bored*. So I am going to type it up and yeah it was interesting. So like Lacey played bass for TBS for awhile he left them and formed the rookie lot with the rest of brand new and on TBS’s self titled it wasn’t Adam singing but this dude named Antonio Adam took over because Antonio blew and that’s what Timber wolves At New Jersey is about “Fragment ideas and too many pronouns” “Those words at best were worse then teenage poetry” making fun of his lyrics. “I got the mic and you got the most pit” is a reference to how Adam is now the singer. THERES MORE =O Adam was dating Jesse’s sister and cheated on her. Adam said they’d broken up before he hooked up with the other girl but Jesse basically told him he never wanted to talk to him again so next time Adam called Jesse and he didn’t answer so Adam left a voice message containing the infamous bridge “is that what you call tact etc..” on Jesse’s voice mail and then it became part of both their songs which are written directly at each other. (going on this part) Jesse wrote seventy times seven saying he wishes adam would die, and the used the voice mail as basis for the lyrics in it. Then theres no I in team was wrote and it says "best friends means I pulled the trigger best friends mean you get what you deserve" and thats basically saying if adam died, then he would of deserved it for what he did. Then Adam Lazzara (TBS singer) was going out with John’s sister Michelle and he cheated on her. John was mad and left taking back Sunday. Jesse sided with John. Ohhh and on Where You Want To Be, Slowdance has a similar chord progression as Soco Amaretto Lime and they both begin with “passed out…” and the line in slowdance “and boring like his songs” is a stab at Jesse’s songwriting. Slowdance was the name of a song TBS performed on tour when John was still in the band and I’m guessing they did this to make John pay attention cause he talks about “taking her for granted” which is talking about Michelle. Also there’s a brand new shirt that says “because mics are for swinging not for singing” which is a stab at Adam’s performance. Jesse wrote in the shower scene “It's funny how your worst enemies always seem to turn out to be all of your best friend's best friends” and since John was Jesse’s best friend and Adam would have been john’s other best friend that makes it clear Adam who messed with him because of what he says. Jesse wrote seven times seven, “I remember I kept thinking that I know you never would, and now I know I want to kill you like only a best friend could” meaning he didn’t think Adam would do this and he did and now he’s mad at Adam. Then Adam wrote There’s No I in Team “Well I can’t regret, can’t you just forget it? I start something I couldn’t finish and if we go down we go down together best friends means, well best friends mean” He’s either being sarcastic with the “Well I can’t regret” or he means hes glad he did it. But basically he messed up and he thinks Jesse needs to get over it. Then in Mix Tape jese wrote “I got a twenty dollar bill that says no one’s ever seen you without makeup you’re always made up and I’m sick of your tattoos, and the way you don’t appreciate brand new or me and I know you’re a sucker for anything acoustic But when I say keep in touch, I hope you know I mean I wish you’d grow up. This is the first song for your mix tape, it’s short just like your temper but somewhat golden like afternoons we used to spend together before you got cool” Which is basically saying Adam changed to impress people to which Adam replied in No I In Team “and I’ve got a twenty-dollar bill that says you’re up late night starting fist fights versus fences in your backyard wearing your black eye like a badge of honor soaking in sympathy from friends who never loved you nearly half as much as me” saying that he was always there for him and no one is a friend like him even though he screwed up. Also I think Adam wrote 'the union' to John about the michelle situation. I think “ghost man on third” may have some reference to Jesse because John, Jesse and Adam were 3 good friends until the whole thing went down, and probably did stuff like that together. There’s tons of a other references you can find in the lyrics. I rule...

its a really sad situation with the guys and all.. but i'm gald it all happened.. because look how inspired these guys got from all of this.. half of those songs on 'Tell all your friends' and 'Deja Entendu'... those are both really good albums when it comes to bitch fight lyrics.. they are so understanding and i;m sure so many guys out there can really get how those guys are feeling...its just really good that these two albums are out there... that are so well relatable because there so just from the heart of true everyday type bullshit

They dwell too much.
But really, after that many songs about it, Im surprised they still had that passion in them. Its like outplaying a situation instead of a song. After a while it just doesnt flare up anymore.
Oh well, still good albums I guess.
Ethan that must have taken you yonks to type out. . .
Who the feck is Antonio Adam ?
I got my stories hella mixed up. I was sure adam [lazzara] was vocals on everything but some EP before the albums. :confused:

^ That's what I thought, about Adam lazzara.
Mhmh.
& Ethan [crowquill] how long did that take you to type out?! It was quite interesting to read. I knew that they fell out and whatever and that some of the lyrics were just aimed at eachother and things, but not in that much detail. My friend said she saw a video of a show they did when they were friends or something? like waaay before anyone liked either of them & Jesse lacey was all like 'thankyou sooo much for sticking around for us' cos they were a support band or something? I dunno, doesn't make much sense cos support bands play before...maybe i got it wrong, but it was something implying they weren't very big.
I love Brand New. So, yeah they win. I had the chance to go and see TBS but i was ill and only got asked the night before & it was a school night rarrr...etc. butbut, i really want BN to tour :]

OH & DOES ANYONE HAVE THE BRAND NEW DEMOS THAT LEAKED?
I'm getting them :]
I think bruise.pristine does
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yes i got them like a month ago :D i have 9 whole songs... GET THEM PEOPLE!

anyways i think these songs are related some how.. the parts that are highlighted the same color from one song to the next are the parts i think that go together.

TAKING BACK SUNDAY LYRICS

"Cute Without The "E" (Cut From The Team)"

Your lipstick, his collar.. don't bother Angel
I know exactly what goes on

When everything you'll get is
everything that you've wanted, princess
(well which would you prefer)
My finger on the trigger, or
(me face down, down across your floor)
Me face down, down across your floor
(me face down, down across your floor)
Well just so long as this thing's loaded

And will you tell all your friends
you've got your gun to my head
This all was only wishful thinking,
this all was only wishful thinking
And will you tell all your friends
you've got your gun to my head
This all was only wishful thinking,
this all was only wishful thinking
let's go...

Don't bother trying to explain Angel
I know exactly what goes on when you're on and
How about I'm outside of your window
(how about I'm outside of your window)
Watching him keep the details covered
You're such a sucker (you're such a sucker)
for a sweet talker, yeah

And will you tell all your friends
you've got your gun to my head
This all was only wishful thinking,
this all was only wishful thinking
(the only thing that I regret is that I, I never let you hold me back)
And will you tell all your friends
you've got your gun to my head
This all was only wishful thinking,
this all was only wishful thinking

Hoping for the best just hoping nothing happens
A thousand clever lines unread on clever napkins
I will never ask if you don't ever tell me
I know you well enough to know you'll never love me
Hoping for the best just hoping nothing happens
A thousand clever lines unread on clever napkins
I will never ask if you don't ever tell me
I know you well enough to know you'll never love me
Hoping for the best just hoping nothing happens
A thousand clever lines unread on clever napkins
I will never ask if you don't ever tell me
I know you well enough to know...

Why can't I feel anything
from anyone other than you?
Why can't I feel anything
from anyone other than you?

And all of this was all your fault
And all of this

(Nothing's worse)
I stay wrecked and jealous for this,
for this simple reason
I just need to keep you in mind
as something larger than life
(she'll destroy us all before she's through
and find a way to blame somebody else)
I stay wrecked and jealous for this,
for this simple reason
I just need to keep you in mind
as something larger than life
(she'll destroy us all before she's through
and find a way to blame somebody else)
I stay wrecked and jealous for this,
for this simple reason
I just need to keep you in mind
as something larger than life!
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BRAND NEW LYRICS

"Okay I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don't"

i am heaven sent, don't you dare forget.
i am all you've ever wanted,
what all the other boys all promised.
sorry i told. i just needed you to know.
i think in decimals and dollars.
i am the cause to all your problems,
shelter from cold. we are never alone.
coordinate brain and mouth.
then ask me what's it like to have myself so figured out.
i wish i knew..

i hope this song starts a craze.
the kind of song that ignites the airwaves.
the kind of song that makes people glad to be where they are,
with whoever they're there with.
this is war.
every line is about who i don't wanna write about anymore.
hope you come down with something they can't diagnose,
don't have the cure for.
holding on to your grudge.
oh it's so hard to have someone to love.
and keeping quiet is hard.
'cause you can't keep a secret
if it never was a secret to start.
at least pretend you didn't wanna get caught..

we're concentrating on falling apart.
we were contenders, we're throwing the fight
i just wanna believe, i just wanna believe,
i just wanna believe in us.

oh, we're so c-c-c-c-c-controversial.
we are entirely smooth.
we admit to the truth,
we are the best at what we do.
and these are the words you wish you wrote down.
this is the way you wish your voice sounds,
handsome and smart.
oh my tongue's the only muscle on my body
that works harder than my heart.
and it's all from watching tv,
and from speeding up my breathing.
wouldn't stop if i could.
oh it hurts to be this good.
you're holding on to your grudge.
oh it hurts to always have to be honest
with the one that you love.
oh, so let it go..

we're concentrating on falling apart.
we were contenders, we're throwing the fight
i just wanna believe, i just wanna believe,
i just wanna believe..

we're concentrating on falling apart.
we were contenders, we're throwing the fight
i just wanna believe, i just wanna believe,
i just wanna believe in us.

this is the grace that only we can bestow.
this is the price you pay for loss of control.
this is the break in the bend,
this is the closest of calls.
this is the reason you're alone,
this is the rise and the fall.

we're concentrating on falling apart.
we were contenders, we're throwing the fight
i just wanna believe, i just wanna believe,
i just wanna believe..

we're concentrating on falling apart.
we were contenders, we're throwing the fight
i just wanna believe, i just wanna believe,
i just wanna believe in us.

GHEY without the A

so i have a idea.. lets try to match up all songs the way i just have..

i think me and ethan (crowquill) would have fun doing this when really bored haha..

seems like a waste of bandwidth

jesus, that was a lot of information. they all need to get over it & keep it in their freaking pants.

seems like it would give me something to do when really bored and me and ethan have nothing better to do.. haha.. i'll bring this up to him whenever he gets online..

for every ONE taking back sunday song there could be two brand new songs that could be going back to that one taking back sunday song.. and the other way around..

it would be rather funny if these guys sat with each other and wrote.. cause **** sounds that way..

today after studying the sound of each band. i think lead singer in brand new has a much sexier. and nicer voice.. then in taking back sunday.. its more whinny and what not.. and the songs don't sound so clear recorded as they do with brand new..

all of you think too much
The winner here could honestly be decided in a spirited THUMB WRESTLING match

no i just think its interest in the band's history... and just being so bored.

I prefer Adams voice. So shoot me. It has more texture. I know thats not one of the best ways to describe a sound, but still... I still prefer Brand New in general, and Jesse's blatantly the better lyricist. The more you listen, the more you find with his lyrics. Its all good.

But hya's right. They needa quit dwelling on such a silly li'l thing. Which Im sure they have done by now, and they got a good couple o albums out of it, but meh. Tad lame.

Antonio Adam = me forgetting to put the period and you probaly did see an old vid of jesse, adam and john they we're all very very very close friends. So Jesse was vocalist, then he went off to the form the Rookie Lot with the rest of Brand new, which was when Taking Back Sunday hired Antonio to sing, and he sucked so Adam took over and Murder Junkie if you have nothing to add but making stupid posts about the band and saying its pointless making the comparsions don't post or read it no one is forcing you to. I also think, they do need to quit dwelling on the whole thing, but tis hell interesting.

alright so lets met back here tonight/when were bored (sometime) and get to work.. you know you'll be bored... :D

That's made me want to listen to that song now.
Hah.

i agree. even though i like brand new more than tbs if you really listen to jesses voice its not that great. i can do a little trick with my cd player walkman thingy where i can take the headphones out about halfway & listen to the background voices. & yeah he sucks.

I'm changing my vote because. Tell all your friends was better then your own favorite weapon. But deja blows where you want to be out of the water and judging from the demos. Brand new is going to release a better album, because TBS's new stuff is just kind of..generic.


I think Adam is still a good lyricist, and a much better singer. Lacey is a great lyricist, but an awful singer. So in an Adam Vs. Jesse i'd pick Adam. But bleh, they're both assholes anyway. John pwnz them all =)

this might be true.. but straylight run sucks ass... and at least Taking Back Sunday,and Brand New are good for the most part haha.. just my opinions.. haha

Nolan is a nice guy, a good singer, a good songwriter, a good musician. Jesse lacey is an ass, a great songwriter, awful singer, a mediocre musician. Adam is a below average musician, okay songwriter, okay vocalist, and an asshole. Straylight are more chill music and not the typical double vocalist pop-punk that everyone expected and i'm glad they didn't do the typical style, because I really wouldn't want another one of those bands running around.

Oh, and too back up the adam being a bad vocalist, I use to think he was amazing..then I saw TBS live..a few times and wow he isn't that great.


example

On the record amazing, kind of..neh live. Nolan's a better vocalist.

i completely agree with what your saying.. but Straylight Run aren't mellow enough for me.. and not pop punk enough for me.. there some where in the middle.. but whenever that is i don't like it to much

well ok this is the only way i can explain it:

appleseeds cast first couple of albums were pop punk but mellow.. then low level owl albums were super mellow and almost had no pop punk in it at all.. it was just down right mellow music (good i like it like that aswell)

then there's alkaline trio, brand new, taking back sunday, the used, Moneen... etc... some are really pop punk, some have pop punk with a bit of mellowness to them.. BUT!.. Straylight run just well doesn't do it for me like those bands do.. its like somewhere between moneen, and taking back sunday.. just more mellow, and more well un intersting sounds.. to me!..


*is really bored..*