Same difference.

Grind your mind!

RIP ACxDC

YATTAI
Grinding sickness from France




SEA OF ****
Head explosion from Usa




DEBONED
Underground grind from Canada

Anal **** - Every songs played at the same time!
PURE CHAOS!

good ol' AxCx
YOU THOUGHT WE WERE COOOOOOOOL
BUT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HATE YOOOOU

so that's 20,000 songs played all at once huh

Powerviolence is just the most extreme version of regular hardcore punk. The result is pretty much grindcore without the metal.

Crust Punk is a Punk genre with Extreme Metal elements, that alone makes it different.

Grindcore initially came without metal

But it was just crust punk back then wasn't it?

Before it started using blastbeats, it was crust punk yes

What's the difference between crust punk and non-metal grind with blastbeats besides the blastbeats?

So far as I know all the early grind bands, like Napalm Death, Repulsion, Carcass, etc were all crust punk + death metal. The Scum Side A lineup of Napalm Death even broke up because one of the members didn't like the metal direction the band was going (at least according to Mick Harris).

Not much... In my view, pure grindcore was just a more extreme evolution of crust punk -> Crust punk + blast beats.

crust punk + death metal + blastbeats?

Very early Napalm death didn't have much death metal influences, It's clear on "Scum", there's a bit more on "Feto"...

Carcass was never pure grindcore, it's was always more gore and "death metal"...

Then, it's old stories, things changed a lot since then, "pure grindcore" and "metal grind" mixed themselves so much that it's hard to notice the difference in 2016... Unless you're talking to punk "integrists" who dislike any metal influence.

But when did that ever exist for any length of time? Was it a scene that predated the more DM-influenced grind bands?

I know early, demo Napalm Death was considered crust punk, but I haven't heard any of that. Was it any different from Extreme Noise Terror, who were considered crust punk and not grindcore?

But they were still part of the same scene as Napalm Death. I'm not that up on the British grind scene from back then, but if Napalm Death and Carcass were contemporaries, does it really make sense to call them different genres when they were basically doing the same thing at the same time in the same place? Basically.

British grind was definitely derived from crust punk, as opposed to America where it came mostly from death metal, but they were still melding both genres together, just with different percentages.

I just think that grindcore was a genre that was basically as much metal as punk. Different sources were more one than the other, but it was always a combination of the two. Basically like death metal crossover.

You have a very metal view of the grindcore style (It's not a reproach, I have been like that for a long time)

Peopes who are very much into the old school punk/ hardcore/ fastcore side of the thing would disagree with your view... Some despise metal music... It's how it is :)

Perhaps every bands were called grindcore because there weren't many bands back then...

A nice exemple of early Grind/ proto grind (Just accelerate the stuff a bit, and it's pure grind) I hear no metal influence in that stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caJmgYOBf14

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I'm pretty much retired from listening to punk, but as the former hardcore residence on the subject I'll clear this up.

First spot on.

Napalm Death's 1982 or is it 84 (Can't remember) demo tape would probably be described as thrashcore bordering on powerviolence.

Grindcore

Grindcore was the result of punk bands in the United Kingdom (Napalm Death, Extreme Noise Terror & Carcass) trying to take the hardcore genre to the extreme in the mid 80's. As such, they started to incorporate metal riffs and down tuned their guitars to achieve a heavier sound. Carcass of course would become a full out metal band, while Napalm Death and Extreme Noise Terror would begin incorporating a heavier metal sound into their music by the 90's.

The main reason grindcore is considered a hardcore or extreme punk genre is for four reasons. 1. It was founded by punk bands in the UK (the American grindcore scene was much more rooted in metal) 2. the musical scales employed. Traditionally grindcore has stuck with the pentatonic & general minor scales with common modes, while death metal employs a lot of scales with semi tone intervals (Diatonic ect) taken from Slayer and Kreator. 3) The blast beat, and the incorporation of hardcore drumming. Finally lyrical content. Grindcore is more prone to talk about hardcore orientated subjects like politics, the horrors of war, ect, but taking it to the extreme.

Crust Punk

Again like grindcore, crustpunk was a result of UK punk bands experimenting with metal, but instead of going heavier the idea was to adapt the darker mood of despair associated with heavy metal. Of the 3 big UK 82 bands (Discharge, The Exploited & GBH) Discharge had more of a metal influence and a darker tone. Guitarist Tony Bones would of course leave Discharge to form Broken Bones, which would become an all out UK82/crossover thrash outfit.

Amebix's arise album (usually considered the first crust punk landmark) had a very dark almost Black Sabbath mood to it. The other UK pioneers Doom and Hellbastard followed a somewhat similar vein. In Scandinavia crust punk took on a much more military (The Expolited) type feel with the D beat drumming..

In the United States a lot of it got mixed with Anarcho Punk (bands like Aus Rotten) so a very far left political message to it. (ie Disrupt)

Blackened Crust

Crust Punk that incorporates black metal into their music, initially pioneered by Darkthrone and later a popular underground genre in North America, Japan & Europe ect.

Power Violence:

As stated by Dylstew, hardcore punk taken to it's extreme without any down tuning of their guitars or incorporation of metal riffs. In other words no metal influence.

Correct mostly but a lot of the bands do have sludge parts that are undeniably metal-influenced.

Well I imagine the genre has evolved since the days of its pioneers (Dropdead, Charles Bronson ect) Most genres are fairly fluid these days, which is a good thing, because it usually results in more creativity.

What about the sludgy pioneers?

UK Grind initially came out of a combination of hardcore and thrash, so probably. Either way, Powerviolence is just the most intense form of Hardcore Punk.

Grind, Crust and PV overlap all the time, they're very related so It's not that important to perfectly disinct every band. However it's important to distinct that PV is just punk while the other 2 are fusions of punk and metal.

"Distinct" isn't a verb.

Not with that kind of attitude.

There are more than a bit of metal influences in the stuffs you quoted,
except perhaps Defecation :P

UNSU
Quite brutal band from France

hellnation rips, Cheerleaders for Imperialism should be considered up their in terms of PV LPs like No Man's Slave

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this whole record ****s :drummer: