Hmm thats interesting. I ask because had you said the general public I would have assumed that you were of the opinion that the songs on that record were what they wanted. That would make sense to me, whether I would have agreed or not. Had you said the old school Manics fans I probably would have agreed too.

Send Away The Tigers is far from The Manics the way they used to be, and without Richey Edwards it's impossible to ever be that band again or to make a record that sounds like the records they made with him. Also Send Away The Tigers has songs like Your Love Alone on it which is a very catcy, infectious pop song not too far away from the stuff on This Is My Truth etc. Even with that said though I get a feeling of, not returning to roots because they certainly haven't but a feeling of the beginning of writing more rock and roll orientated music again and personally I think its probably been better recieved by the old school fans than anything sice The Holy Bible and Everything Must Go (although is very hard to measure of course). They even used The Holy Bible font on the artwork and included older songs like Born To End in the tour for the record.

I guess I just assume that the newer generation of Manics fans, the fans that havent heard anything pre EMG and to whom the whole leopard print and feather boa's thing makes no sense would much rather listen to their slower records like TIMT and Lifeblood than the rockier, faster tunes on their newer record.

I discovered Holy Bible from Urban's Top 100. It's one of those rare very melodic Brit-pop/rock albums that's intense all the way through. One of my favs.

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Heavier, apparantly the album is produced by Albini so it could shape up to be good!

not much I can contribute to this thread because I only just was introduced to them today, I liked the song I heard though and I will be getting the Holy Bible. That seems to be a consensus "win" among the posts I have seen

The Holy Bible may not be the most accessible Manics album but it is the best one. I would definitely go with that one. I can hook you up with some Manics stuff if you like?

And I am listening to the new Manics song now PMO. It is obviously quite a low quality file as it's ripped from Radio One but it's more aggressive, it has more of an edge, it is slightly reminiscent of the way the band used to be even though I am not sure they have it in them anymore to completely go back to that.

However that song plus the fact they are using some pre existing, left over Richey Edwards lyrics for the new record means I am now optimistic.

dmonoid!!!!
I'll check for it tonight

Ok cool. Just give me a shout if you do want some links though I'll be happy to sort you out. Oh and if you're gonna get it you may as well look for the 20th Anniversary edition which you can see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Bible_(album)

yeah if I have issues i migh pm you tomorrow if you don't mind

Nah, thats cool.

Thanks for that. Never said I did know much about them. I would appreciate if you didn't edit my posts.

Lifeblood is a good example of what became the "new" Manic Street Preachers, ie anything after The Holy Bible. Whereas I can never claim to "hate" anything the Manics put out I'm indifferent to a lot of it now but Lifeblood is actually a very good record.

Come one come all and see the Manics attempt to claw back credibility by doing EXACTLY what everyone wanted them to do... that's lax socialism up and down. Honestly everything they do annoys me now, why can't they just drop the dead guy? They did the glam-era revival now they are doing the Holy Bible 2... does this mean we're getting heartfelt cashcow football terrace anthems after this? Spare us

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Richie Edwards lyrics filled out with music that's bland middle of the road dross.

Woohoo , can't wait.

aha but THAT'S where they employed the services of the loudest middle-aged producer they could find, Steve Albini .

It's all terribly predictable, but they have already scored a small victory by getting me to post an advert for it on this forum. Damn

OK my mistake

loud middle of the road dross

Those song names are brilliant, i look forward to hearing Virginia State Epileptic Colony and All Is Vanity.

Judging from Peeled Apples though it's not THAT big a departure, i'm assuming it'll just be a louder version of the last one.

I definitely don't think their music is bland middle of the road dross, Motorcycle Emptiness, You love Us, Die In the Summertime...
there's more to those tunes than that!
Their stuff with Richie was great, particularly The Holy Bible, and he did write a lot of the lyrics on Everything Must Go, so he was still a part of it.

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Your 'graph' is more based on opinion rather than actual facts. I know thats what this forum is about but I have never heard an album called 'Some Other Stuff'. Also 'Lifeblood' is a fantastic album. Ive never managed to get into 'Know Your Enemy'. 'Send Away The Tigers' I used to really like it at first but the 'Your Love Alone' song really gets on my tits and most of the songs on the album were pretty poor and cheesy (especially the one near the end 'Just A Patsy'. Good songs on that album are 'Indian Summer', 'Rendition' & 'Winterlovers' is alright. To me 'SATT' was kind of reminiscent of the 'Everything Must Go' album (which was excellent from start to finish).
I agree I kind of half hate them now after seeing this video. I mean why the **** are they covering Rihanna??. Its actually kind of scary to hear. Suppose they used to be great then they just kinda went all bland and boring although I do like some of the more recent stuff- only album i really liked from start to finish was 'Lifeblood'.
[QUOTE=British_pharaoh;485645]I'm missing The Killers at Reading to watch the Manics instead (damn clashes) gonna be great although they will be playing their new stuff as well unfortunately[/QUOTE]
This may be a blessing in diguise if its 'The Killers' that Im thinking of. Just better hope Manics arent having a Rihanna covers night. Also as for the new stuff dont knock it until youve heard it I know it aint a patch on old stuff but some songs are good.

[QUOTE=Piss Me Off;516496]It's not bad for what it is, a catchy pop song. It's the kind of song that some people are always going to hate.
And never listen to Q ever.
I agree Q magazine sucks **** big time. They used to be alright but then they started putting Lilly Allen & Green Day on the front covers I lost interest. Ill buy it now and again if theres a big feature or interview that i really like but very rarely now. I prefer Mojo or Uncut but even then its only if theres a good feature on it. Personally I think most of the magazines are **** and I dont really need them to know whats going on in the music world anyway.
I find it interesting that Lifeblood actually got you into them? I think its a great album too and the only time they have really matched since 'Everything Must Go' as i thought 'This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours' was pretty crap all throughout.

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Anyway I have all Manics Albums, I think Generation Terrorists or Holy Bible is the best. In their early days they were to me a punk band. Also I think 'Gold Against The Soul' is massively underrated with excellent songs such as 'Roses In The Hospital' , 'From Despair To Where' & 'Sympathy For Tourette'.
Lifeblood is also massively underrated and I should probably stop talking about it so much..

I was into the Manics before, but when Lifeblood came out I started to respect them a lot more. Seemed like they had some fight left in them, certainly to me anyway. It's why I really didn't like Send Away the Tigers when it came out - it seemed kinda like a step back for me. It's also why the thought of a new album doesn't really interest me as much as it would've done a few years back.

You're right about Everything Must Go as well. I'm just listening to it again now for the first time in yonks. The last four or five songs in particular are bloody t'riffic

When they first started out i hated them with a vengence! then a mate had a spare ticket to see them playing on the gold against the soul tour and to be honest they were fantastic, they did a great cover of Pennyroyal Tea! and Sleepflower is a blinder! i only really like the first albums upto the holy bible and find the later material a bit bland.
Will be interesting to see what the new album is like

there are some good covers on that Lipstick Traces compilation, but 'Umbrella' is crossing the line I'm afraid.
Also what everyone's saying about Lifeblood be truth, last great(ish) record they did surely. Know Your Enemy has dated pretty well too I think.

they'll never get the old venom back though! This video brings back memories for the second MTV generation



I am an architect, they call me a butcher
I am a pioneer, they call me primitive
I am purity, they call me perverted
Holding you but I only miss these things when they leave

I am idiot drug hive, the virgin, the tattered and the torn
Life is for the cold made warm and they are just lizards
Self-disgust is self-obsession honey and I do as I please
A morality obedient, only to the cleansed repented

Chorus, all sing along now:
I am stronger than Mensa, Miller and Mailer
I spat out Plath and Pinter
I am all the things that you regret
A truth that washes that learnt how to spell

The first time you see yourself naked you cry
Soft skin now acne, foul breath, so broken
He loves me truly this mute solitude I'm draining
I know I believe in nothing but it is my nothing

Sleep can't hide the thoughts splitting through my mind
Shadows aren't clean, false mirrors too many people awake
If you stand up like a nail then you will be knocked down
I've been too honest with myself I should have lied like everybody else

So damn easy to cave in, man kills everything

Theres been some decent stuff since The Holy Bible but no more than the odd few tracks on records that were, overall, underwhelming or poor. Lifeblood is the exception. It may not be great when compared to Generation Terrorists or The Holy Bible but its the only complete album since THB in my opinion.

I'll be interested to hear the new record. You could see it as a step back I guess, I suppose it's a fair comment to make but I'll happily settle for something recycled aslong as it's recycling THB or earlier and it's decent.

i think the lyrics for the new album will be supreme but the music is probably going to smack of cash-in.

It's probably been mentioned already but watching that video you remember that NOBODY can mangle a lyric like James Dean Bradfield. :laughing:
You memorise the lyrics pretty quickly after the first 50 read-throughs of the booklet, but I've put the lyrics under the video to illustrate this point to confuddled American types.

Yeah I totally agree, Its probably about the only album Ive heard that gets really good towards the end although it is excellent throughout. 'Australia' is probably my favourite of that album.
As for the new record It's obvious they will never recapture the glory of 'The Holy Bible' when they put out the new album 'A Journal For Plague Lovers' but I do have a good feeling about it although it could be(as someone else quoted) great lyrics but not the music to match it. Fingers crossed...:bowdown:

in the parlance of our times: meh

Zane Lowe gives the Antipodes a bad name :bringit:

Recently found the Suicide Alley single on my comp which i'd forgotten about, can up if anyone wants some old school shit :D

Zane Lowe is a ***. I ****ing hate how every time he introduces something its 'the hottest record in the world' (I can remember hearing a preview of Richard Ashcrofts 'Break the Night With Colour' song a few years ago & he said exactly the same phrase before playing it.) :crazy:
Also/worse so I heard from someone he has his own band or something ? Hope he isnt singing... :shycouch:

Regarding the new song it seems to have actually turned out the opposite as to what somebody on this thread predicted;that the music is very good but the lyrics arent up to much. I could be wrong, will still be getting the album on pre order though. Will make a full decision then.

this album's great. other than the awesomeness of the lyrics, the music is not "cash-in" at all. sure, it is very "produced", but it's a return to jagged, edgy punk and has no scent of sh1tty arena rock.

Indeed it is. One of the greatest.

Yes, and it should be enforced.

Yes, it is. You need it. Trust me.

Yep.

Too late, he already listened to it and didn't like it, tosspot he is :D

Just got The Holy Bible. Blown away.

Now I'm stuck between Yes, Archives of Pain, 4st. 7lbs., AND P.C.P. for favorite track! It's too f'ing hard!

I remember that feeling. Expect many future Holy Bible sessions.

Overrated: Of Walking Abortion
Underrated: P.C.P.

Of Walking Abortion is my favourite on the record. Probably anyway, it's hard to choose sometimes.

P.C.P is a great track, even if it doesnt exactly fit in with the tone of the rest of the record.

The Intense Humming of Evil IS under-rated.

Revol is turd.

Revol is not turd! Just the worst one on the album is all :(

Fila, fila!

Heh I really hate it. So does James Dean Bradfield. Not that thats my reason mind you, I just think its overblown and needlessly pretentious. If it wasnt for that track THB would be my absolute perfect album. Same with Corpus Christi Carol on Jeff Buckley's Grace. Both of those records are among my favourites and may actually be 1 & 2 but those tracks just let them down.

I don't know which I hate more - Revol or So Why So Sad...

Corpus Christi hatred!?

And I thought you had good taste (AKA same as mine) :(

The Holy Bible's a great album. It's kinda weird how James Dean Bradfield has such a great voice on it but somehow he makes the lyrics unintelligible.

As I say though, great stuff. It's between Yes, Mausoleum and 4st 7Ibs when it comes to my favourite.

It's mostly due to the fact that he had the music and then just threw Richey's lyrics over them, resulting in a lot of big words being rushed frantically into one frame.

Bradfield is one of my favourite singers for this album alone, his range is incredible from the actual singing to the screaming.