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Molecules 02-06-2008 03:28 PM

Post Punk...
 
by this I mean the umbrella term for all those thousands of late 70's and 80's bands, the world over, that owe their existence to punk's demolition of the rules. The clean slate etc.
here are some of my favourite bands and some respective videos to get the ball rolling innit

apologies for the overload btw, i can't sleep..

Wire - Practice Makes Perfect


the Gun Club - fire spirit (apparently Nikki Six 'borrowed' the singer's look)


Public Image Ltd - Poptones


Tappi Tíkarrass - Dúkkulísur (Björk's first band)


Delta 5 - Mind your own business


Þeyr (pronounced theyr) - "Rúdolf"


the Monochrome set - Jet Set Junta

GravitySlips 02-06-2008 04:38 PM

yeah man, it's all good in the hood.

if I was made to pick a favourite genre, I'd probably say post-punk even though it is an umbrella term rather than an actual sound. It's not like This Heat share much in common sonically with Wire, for example...but both are the ****.

my top 5 post punk bands...

1. The Fall
2. Wire
3. This Heat
4. Pere Ubu
5. The Birthday Party

it depends how far we're stretching the boundaries of post-punk though. But it all rules mostly.

Seltzer 02-06-2008 06:04 PM

Post-punk is one of the genres I've really been getting into lately. Minutemen and Joy Division are definitely my favourites of the lot, but I've also been listening to Public Image Ltd, The Fall, Swans and the Cocteau Twins etc.

I'm gonna get hold of some This Heat because they look particularly interesting.

swim 02-06-2008 09:03 PM

The Feelies were the first post punk band I fell in love with.

cardboard adolescent 02-06-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by swim (Post 440588)
The Feelies were the first post punk band I fell in love with.

'twas Pere Ubu 4 me

Molecules 02-07-2008 04:21 PM

READ
http://playtherecords.com/uploaded_i...tup-777821.jpg

GravitySlips 02-07-2008 04:25 PM

I need to read that.

Poptones by PiL is almost too good to be real. MAAAN.

Molecules 02-07-2008 04:36 PM

Pere Ubu


the Au Pairs


Magazine


the Pop Group


Public Image Ltd. with interview


there seems to be a pattern emerging here of bleak soundscapes and experimentalism. that's post punk alright...

Molecules 02-07-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips (Post 440842)
I need to read that.

Poptones by PiL is almost too good to be real. MAAAN.

haha. PiL got me into dub and reggae.
Metal Box is amazing, there's no mid-range on it, just scythe guitars and throbbing basslines...

GravitySlips 02-07-2008 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules (Post 440852)
haha. PiL got me into dub and reggae.
Metal Box is amazing, there's no mid-range on it, just scythe guitars and throbbing basslines...

PiL and the Pop Group opened my mind to dub and reggae, although I still don't really know much about those genres -- I like Lee "Scratch" Perry a lot though.

There's some really incredible basslines on Metal Box. Lots of post-punk bands had great bassists...Gang of Four, PiL, Joy Division, The Pop Group. I saw Gang of Four live 2 years ago, that was dynamite. They were probably the first post punk band I listened to, it was awesome to see them live although the vocalist was hammered. They had great presence and energy, and of course they're all very talented musicians as well. It was fantastic.

Farfisa 02-07-2008 06:45 PM

Check out Television......Marquee Moon was a terrific album

Frewen 02-08-2008 06:41 AM

I've been listening to a lot of The Comsat Angels' stuff recently, great music.

Molecules 02-08-2008 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravitySlips (Post 440862)
PiL and the Pop Group opened my mind to dub and reggae, although I still don't really know much about those genres -- I like Lee "Scratch" Perry a lot though.

There's some really incredible basslines on Metal Box. Lots of post-punk bands had great bassists...Gang of Four, PiL, Joy Division, The Pop Group. I saw Gang of Four live 2 years ago, that was dynamite. They were probably the first post punk band I listened to, it was awesome to see them live although the vocalist was hammered. They had great presence and energy, and of course they're all very talented musicians as well. It was fantastic.

http://www.plong.com/MusicCatalog/V/...0Box%20Set.jpg
both volumes of this are great starting points...tbh there's so much on them it's probably all the dub you'll need.

i like PiL, they were as (if not more of) outrageous a statement at the time as the Pistols, and they practically got gobbed off the stage at their first gig in London...punk had become a self-enclosed and hypocritical establishment in such a short time.
for the dub influenced stuff the Slits' 'Cut' is easily in my top 10 records of all time...the Pop Group are challenging and they have their moments but you have to be in the mood to listen to them. The only member who could play his instrument was the drummer, the rest all recorded their parts separately and the whole album works on a 'cohesion through chaos' basis. still good though!

edit: i don't think their has been such an exciting era of sheer experimentation and diversity since the so-called post-punk years. The only time comparable to me is the mid-to-late 60's. Like then it was an intellectual movement as much as a musical one, just ****loads of ideas. In the end though it probably only payed off for the likes of Devo...

enemyat_thesix 02-08-2008 03:08 PM

what about the new movement some call post-punk?

see Q & Not U, The Dismemberment Plan, So Many Dynamos

Molecules 02-08-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by enemyat_thesix (Post 441149)
what about the new movement some call post-punk?

see Q & Not U, The Dismemberment Plan, So Many Dynamos

anything new just feels like a rehash, i am permanently frozen in 1981, it's terrible. but that's why i like this forum, because people who know their music are recommending new bands all the time and i am being thawed.

go to cardboard adolescent's blog and download the second This Heat album, Deceit, if you don't have it already. i'm having a religious experience with this album.

somebody mentioned Television...i always though they were more associated with the first wave of 'punk-but-not-punk' bands. They were playing by their rules, except their rules didn't happen to be three chords and barking.


there were alot of mental, avant-garde bands that were around before punk but really flourished in it's glow - Pere Ubu, This Heat..erm that's all i can think of:usehead:

swim 02-08-2008 05:48 PM

I don't really think bands like Q and Not U, Meneguar, Faraquet are rehashed post-punk bands. They take on a lot of post-hardcore influence and sound quite a bit different. I dig that junk.

enemyat_thesix 02-08-2008 06:08 PM

yeah, I get that a lot. they're somewhere between post-punk and post-hardcore, in my opinion. whatever it is, it's great. same goes for the dance-punk infused stuff, like Test Icicles and Fake Shark-Real Zombie!

Molecules 02-08-2008 06:21 PM

i see what you mean actually, Test Icicles has a big post-hardcore thing going on. the way that album is mixed actually gives me brain seizures. everything is alot more upfront than your standard 'post punk rehash' might be. death from above, although i don't personally rate them, fit into that category nicely too i think. i will sleep better now...

enemyat_thesix 02-08-2008 06:53 PM

i'd say dfa are just straight out dance-punk, or noise-punk if you like to invent genres


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