Free Jazz/Avant-Garde Jazz?

Keigh · 03-18-2009, 08:34 AM

I love Anthony Braxton, Ornette Coleman, Ronald Shannon Jackson, James Blood Ulmer.

Molecules · 03-18-2009, 08:37 AM

Ornette Coleman is pure ear sex, and I am of the opinion that 'The Shape Of Jazz To Come' as amazing as it is was all part of the build-up to 'This Is Our Music' aka the Daddy of swinging free-jazz. In my O.
Plastic saxophones and pocket trumpets ftw

Kamikazi Kat · 03-19-2009, 03:25 PM

Well, the torrent finished downloading and now I have 61 albums by Sun Ra. Neat. I just finished listening to "Nuclear War" off of "A fireside chat wtih Satan."

I think I'll check out the shape of jazz too, it may take me a while to get to more artists though. I tend to focus on one musician for a while, instead of multiple ones at once.

**Frownland** · 01-14-2012, 01:38 PM

Try Albert Ayler, he wrote some great stuff. If you want some more guitar oriented music, try out Derek Bailey or Sonny Sharrock. Both brilliant as can be IMO.

TockTockTock · 01-14-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Try Albert Ayler, he wrote some great stuff. If you want some more guitar oriented music, try out Derek Bailey or Sonny Sharrock. Both brilliant as can be IMO.

Bailey is amazing, and one of the best places to start with him would be his collaborative album, Mirakle (2000), which is a fusion of free jazz and funk. It is still very challenging, but there are definitely some conventional aspects in the music... You know... just in case one feels suffocated by the atonality and often free improvisational nature of the album.

Although, I would recommend this only for those wanting to find a starting point for Derek Bailey, and not so much free jazz. As far as free jazz goes, I would recommend Ayler (like Frownland said) or some of Cecil Taylor's work from the late 50s/early 60s.

**Frownland** · 01-15-2012, 02:35 PM

Well Derek Bailey is among the more avant-garde region of jazz. Wasn't he considered part of the free jazz movement as well? Maybe my research is faulty.
Still a great musician for people who can see past the atonality, as Jack Pat said.

TockTockTock · 01-15-2012, 03:53 PM

I am in no way whatsoever an expert on his music, but as far as I know... he's known more for being a pioneer of free improvisation and less as being a somewhat early participant in free jazz. So, (in the end) I would be more inclined to label him as a musician of free improvisation... due to the fact that the majority of his musical output is made up of it...

**Frownland** · 01-15-2012, 05:13 PM

Ah, I see what you mean now.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Try Albert Ayler, he wrote some great stuff. If you want some more guitar oriented music, try out Derek Bailey or Sonny Sharrock. Both brilliant as can be IMO. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Well Derek Bailey is among the more avant-garde region of jazz. Wasn't he considered part of the free jazz movement as well? Maybe my research is faulty. Still a great musician for people who can see past the atonality, as Jack Pat said. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	I am in no way whatsoever an expert on his music, but as far as I know... he's known more for being a pioneer of free improvisation and less as being a somewhat early participant in free jazz. So, (in the end) I would be more inclined to label him as a musician of free improvisation... due to the fact that the majority of his musical output is made up of it... Last edited by TockTockTock; 01-15-2012 at 03:58 PM.

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Kamikazi Kat Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 329	Well, the torrent finished downloading and now I have 61 albums by Sun Ra. Neat. I just finished listening to "Nuclear War" off of "A fireside chat wtih Satan." I think I'll check out the shape of jazz too, it may take me a while to get to more artists though. I tend to focus on one musician for a while, instead of multiple ones at once.