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phallpdx 05-27-2008 10:11 PM

While I think that Miles was a fantastic musician... and technically amazing. I think that the reason he is so famous in the jazz world is for his constant innovation. Listen to Kind of Blue and then listen to Bitches Brew. These are two very different albums, two albums that we very edgy and pushed the listener just the right amount. It is not just his technical ability, but what he did with it.
I think that after a certain point of technical ability it is impossible to say who is the *best*, because after a certain point everything gets really niche-y. Who is the best at what, and so on.

In terms of modern day heroes for a young jazz artist like myself, I look to the new generation of jazz musicians pushing their craft (go to youtube and look up "Brian Blade drum solo jazz crimes") -- People like these guys are the new Miles Davises.

By the way, there are plenty of musicians from back in the day who are on par with Miles. Look at Coltrane, Parker, Gillespie, Monk, Han****. Miles often gets the spotlight while equally fantastic musicians get overlooked, at least by the main stream.

lucifer_sam 09-17-2008 06:36 PM

Just listened to Sketches of Spain today, and lord, how this man amazes me. Definitely one of if not the most prolific jazz composer ever.

ddp 09-17-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 520613)
Just listened to Sketches of Spain today, and lord, how this man amazes me. Definitely one of if not the most prolific jazz composer ever.


You gotta give a lot of the composition/arrangment credit to Gil Evans not to miles. Gil did the arrangements and wrote 4 of the 8 tunes. Miles did not write any of them.
Miles a great band leader yes.

Miles the great composer hmmm. . . .

More info on Sketches of spain here:
Sketches of Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-17-2008 06:56 PM

Even though I have a lot of his stuff I've not really got around to giving it the attention it deserves yet.

Having said that one album of his that jumped out at me is his live album Pangaea.

It's just mental.

lucifer_sam 09-17-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ddp (Post 520624)
You gotta give a lot of the composition/arrangment credit to Gil Evans not to miles. Gil did the arrangements and wrote 4 of the 8 tunes. Miles did not write any of them.
Miles a great band leader yes.

Miles the great composer hmmm. . . .

More info on Sketches of spain here:
Sketches of Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Definitely didn't know that, but I was referring to Davis in general, and not just on that lone album. He's worked with Stan Getz on multiple occasions as well, and I'm sure he played a big part in the music's arrangement.

Zarko 09-18-2008 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 520613)
Just listened to Sketches of Spain today, and lord, how this man amazes me. Definitely one of if not the most prolific jazz composer ever.

Any particular favourite from SOS ls? I persnoally love Solea..

Anyway, I don't consider him the best or my favourite, but I have no issues whatsoever with other people doing so.. Totally understandable :p

Nothing beats 'In A Silent Way' though...

vinylhasmorefun 09-18-2008 07:23 AM

It's all about Bitches Brew.

Rubber 09-19-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vinylhasmorefun (Post 520861)
It's all about Bitches Brew.

hehe
I'll pass, I did not enjoy that one.

RockGuitar101 09-25-2008 03:49 PM

He was great, but young people don't care much about the past so he's being forgotten. But he was great.

RockGuitar101 09-25-2008 03:50 PM

You also must remember, sound systems are more advanced, people today hear the sound all candy coated, Miles didn't have that.

Halfa 09-28-2008 03:48 PM

He was intensely creative, but i really dont like his tone, and as a trumpet player his technique wasnt as good as it could be. he's squeaky when u know he shouldnt be. but in the long run, it doesnt matter cuz he was insanely creative

Performit 09-28-2008 04:37 PM

LOL. No one ever gets the same feelings anyone does over any song, movie or other. It seems we all have our own experiences. If we care to listen to others...we might "get" someone else's band, song, movie or other. But it takes people skills to get that far.

Funny...right. I quess I am tired of all the mean people. Who said it was cool to be rude. Appreciate what that person had to say! Geeeesh!!! ;-)

RublevKovacs 12-21-2023 02:29 AM

From listening to his entire discography, buying alot of his records and reading his autobiography I honestly wouldn't even consider some of his albums jazz, in the same way to Eric Dolphy or Andrew Hill. He certainly is an incredibly musician who plays very well, obviously, but I honestly don't think he was incredibly talented on the same level as Mingus or Coltrane. I would consider him the greatest Jazz-Fusion artist and possibly te greatest trumpet player in jazz but I would'nt consider him the GOAT. He is extremely cool, possibly also coolest musician ever.

jadis 01-21-2024 02:31 AM

I have a very positive opinion of this musician

Clefsong51 01-28-2024 09:37 AM

When it comes down to the ultimate Jazz Trumpet, three names come to mind.... Miles- Coltrane- Clifford Brown...who was better???? A question for the ages!!

mattrixs 02-05-2024 11:43 PM

Miles is outstanding!!!!!!


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