Oh, so when you quoted me you weren't trying to prove me wrong at all, or get a reply from me, and i assumed you we're an athiest sorry.

More angling toward agnostic.And to be honest I wasn't baiting you or anyone with that statement.It was merely my take on it.

Frankly, both you and Bills posts smacked of baiting.

baiting?

Well, anyway.
I just dont like how "always is and always will be " is a perfectly reasonable explaination for gods creation.
But it is a ridiculous explaination for everything else

Believe what you will.:finger:

How do you know that? Its likely that the universe as an empty mass will always be there, even if everything in it dies.
And our religion says that he is immortal, and thats what we chose to believe.

I believe it, and i don't think i said other beliefs are stupid and un logical in this thread.

What you said was

"If you cannot tell me how the universe was created, then the arguments are bull"

then you proceded to say that God always is and always will be.

Posting in a fashion designed to garner an unpleasant response.

I'm out of this argument as it seems most of what's being said is being taken completely out of context.:(