Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime! (quote)

IEDred · 01-25-2006, 11:35 AM

Yea there are some super articles on this website too well atleast I think i read this same article here anyway, here biz.yahoo.com/bw/051214/20051214005365.html?.v%3D1

IEDred · 01-25-2006, 11:35 AM

dang i dont have enough posts to do a url...

Barnard17 · 01-25-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

And you would lose in court.

Sure. But look at 1) how much court time I've wasted and 2) how much tax payers money I've wasted in doing so. It would have been SO easy for them to better phrase the legislation so that this won't happen. This law is bull****. It is absurdly poorly written and does little to the end that it hopes to achieve while much more besides. The people who wrote the law realised this, which is why they attached it as a part of a vital bill - the Senate had to pass the Justice bill or they'd bring themselves into the spotlight for holding up important legislation. Is this how you want to see your countries legislation being passed? I severly hope not.

How do they not have Jurisdiction? Example:

1. The server is in Canada. A poster from England makes a post "annoying" a user in America. Whose law takes precedence?

2. The server is in Africa. A poster from America makes a post "annoying" a user in Russia. Whose law takes precedence?

3. The server is in America. A poster from Canada makes a post "annoying" a user in Australia. Whose law takes precedence?

The internet is FAR too complex to be regulated differently country to country because everybodies laws get mixed and intermingled. You need a neutral body to regulate all internet for anything to have any attempt at being called fair or unbiased.

Shooting Star · 01-25-2006, 01:18 PM

I agree with Fal. Very logical... Indubitably so.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-25-2006, 01:28 PM

What next?

Fines for saying people are ugly on hotornot.com?

IamAlejo · 01-25-2006, 02:31 PM

Well let's think. You say someone is ugly in real life, no problem.

You stalk someone in real life, you're ****ed.

1. No
2. I'm gonna say no, but it's iffy
3. Yes

Barnard17 · 01-25-2006, 02:36 PM

But then America would have to prosecute the Canadian. Would the Canadian Government allow deportation of one of their citizens based upon an issue which is not a crime in their country? Should they?

Shooting Star · 01-25-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal

But then America would have to prosecute the Canadian. Would the Canadian Government allow deportation of one of their citizens based upon an issue which is not a crime in their country? Should they?

It gets really tricky and confusing if they aren't breaking a law in their country and America has no jurisdiction there. Unless there's some international internet policing organization I don't see how much can be done.

Take for instance the file sharing thing. http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php Being a very comical example.

IEDred · 01-27-2006, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fal

Sure. But look at 1) how much court time I've wasted and 2) how much tax payers money I've wasted in doing so. It would have been SO easy for them to better phrase the legislation so that this won't happen. This law is bull****. It is absurdly poorly written and does little to the end that it hopes to achieve while much more besides. The people who wrote the law realised this, which is why they attached it as a part of a vital bill - the Senate had to pass the Justice bill or they'd bring themselves into the spotlight for holding up important legislation. Is this how you want to see your countries legislation being passed? I severly hope not.

How do they not have Jurisdiction? Example:

1. The server is in Canada. A poster from England makes a post "annoying" a user in America. Whose law takes precedence?

2. The server is in Africa. A poster from America makes a post "annoying" a user in Russia. Whose law takes precedence?

3. The server is in America. A poster from Canada makes a post "annoying" a user in Australia. Whose law takes precedence?

The internet is FAR too complex to be regulated differently country to country because everybodies laws get mixed and intermingled. You need a neutral body to regulate all internet for anything to have any attempt at being called fair or unbiased.

You know who should make the laws, and this is what i honestly think, I think USA should make the laws for the internet, reguardless of how did what, we invented the Internet, phones, cable-internet, and the computer you are useing it on. simply put we deserve to decide the fate of spamming.

Barnard17 · 01-27-2006, 01:13 PM

Sorry, I didn't know the CERN were affiliated with America. Last I heard they were mostly in Switzerland ...

We invented Gravity, we don't give you the right to use it. Close down NASA, you guys are stealing our intellectual property!

Regardless of who didn't create the internet, that doesn't grant the right to censor.

01-25-2006, 01:28 PM	#35 (permalink)
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01-25-2006, 02:31 PM	#36 (permalink)
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01-25-2006, 02:36 PM	#37 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	But then America would have to prosecute the Canadian. Would the Canadian Government allow deportation of one of their citizens based upon an issue which is not a crime in their country? Should they? __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

01-27-2006, 01:13 PM	#40 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	Sorry, I didn't know the CERN were affiliated with America. Last I heard they were mostly in Switzerland ... We invented Gravity, we don't give you the right to use it. Close down NASA, you guys are stealing our intellectual property! Regardless of who didn't create the internet, that doesn't grant the right to censor. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

01-25-2006, 11:35 AM	#31 (permalink)
IEDred Groupie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9	Yea there are some super articles on this website too well atleast I think i read this same article here anyway, here biz.yahoo.com/bw/051214/20051214005365.html?.v%3D1

01-25-2006, 11:35 AM	#32 (permalink)
IEDred Groupie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9	dang i dont have enough posts to do a url...

01-25-2006, 01:18 PM	#34 (permalink)
Shooting Star Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: I live in a house. Posts: 186	I agree with Fal. Very logical... Indubitably so.