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crimepartner 01-26-2006 08:28 PM

2007 draft
 
i have heard from one of my teachers that the recruitment for the army has seriously plummeted... effect - possible draft. thats awesome finally something interesting. I think this is the bottle neck of the war and it will get worst. The U.S. is trying to bully those little middle eastern countries like the nazis that tried to bully the minorities.The status quo of the U.S. is that we are the best and the most powerful, the same ideals that the nazis had. to add a little support to opinion Iran wants nuclear power and the U.S. is telling them no, with no authority or for the most part jurisdiction to deny Iran that. effect - The U.S. is cut off for oil. I cant wait to see whats next.

IamAlejo 01-26-2006 08:34 PM

Your teacher is retarded and the draft will not happen this decade...if ever in the near future (like 10-20 years...I can't even guess after that).

TheBig3 01-26-2006 08:37 PM

The administration knows that if they attempt a draft they will face down the impeachment process. This isn't WWII. The thought that people support this enough to hold a draft is absurd.

Draft results in uproar and violent action. 'Nam showed people that the democracy rests squarely in the hands of the people.

IamAlejo 01-26-2006 08:42 PM

Doubtful. The administration would need the approval of Congress to get a draft going, so why would they approve the draft and then impeach him?


But you are on the right trail. Any adminstration that puts the draft in will pretty much result in the downfall of their party for the next 30-40 years.

crimepartner 01-26-2006 08:47 PM

thats wrong. did you learn that from the text books you have read? every body has a biase and the text books are biased to be pro america. every book has a biase and people have to look outside of the box and take in all the facts.

dont be scared

crimepartner 01-26-2006 08:50 PM

the draft is doubful since the country is split between pro america and anti war, but yet the us gov has invaded iraq without the peoples "majority say"... that is called majoritarian NOT democracy. In a majoritarian policy the majority controls what happens.. example - 6 people in a car. 4 want pizza 2 want hot dogs. they get pizza...

IamAlejo 01-26-2006 08:50 PM

You are wrong. It's okay.

I'm supposedly reading "pro american books" yet you are taking the word of your Government-paid teacher.

ooooooooooooooookay.

hookers with machineguns 01-26-2006 08:50 PM

A draft is a last resort option, i don't see it happening within the next ten years honestly.

Crowe 01-26-2006 08:56 PM

Sorry, you are wrong crimepartner. Why don't you come up with your own thoughts instead of recycling crap you hear from your high school history teacher.

Secondly, nothing the other members brought up has ANYTHING to do with bias. You can't even spell bias, let alone talk about it intelligently. Why don't you tell us some facts?

Every powerful empire in history has had the idea (usually the FACT) that they are the best and most powerful, would you like to know why? Because they are. Right now, America is the most powerful nation in the world. It's not bragging. It's not us thinking we are better because we are most powerful. It is the simple fact that we are the most powerful. I like how you tried to tie us in with the Nazis, good job sucking at life.

Take your pseudo-intellectualism and get the hell out of here. You can't even defend your side of the argument with any credibility. You might want to wait until you have high school history again so you can tell us what your lower-middle class teacher thinks about his place in society. I hate people like you. Please, jump off of a bridge.

IamAlejo 01-26-2006 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimepartner
the draft is doubful since the country is split between pro america and anti war, but yet the us gov has invaded iraq without the peoples "majority say"... that is called majoritarian NOT democracy. In a majoritarian policy the majority controls what happens.. example - 6 people in a car. 4 want pizza 2 want hot dogs. they get pizza...

I honestly feel dumber for having read that.

crimepartner 01-26-2006 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAlejo
You are wrong. It's okay.

I'm supposedly reading "pro american books" yet you are taking the word of your Government-paid teacher.

ooooooooooooooookay.


every one can say "your wrong" but its insufficent. nice rebuttle...I like how it has no point other then telling me Iam wrong some how, but you dont describe how... how?

thank you

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-26-2006 08:58 PM

i dont see it happening. neither do any of the voting american adults that i live around. its not going to happen.

hehe...if the draft is enstated, we are moving to canada <<my mothers exact words.

crimepartner 01-26-2006 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowe
Sorry, you are wrong crimepartner. Why don't you come up with your own thoughts instead of recycling crap you hear from your high school history teacher.

Secondly, nothing the other members brought up has ANYTHING to do with bias. You can't even spell bias, let alone talk about it intelligently. Why don't you tell us some facts?

Every powerful empire in history has had the idea (usually the FACT) that they are the best and most powerful, would you like to know why? Because they are. Right now, America is the most powerful nation in the world. It's not bragging. It's not us thinking we are better because we are most powerful. It is the simple fact that we are the most powerful. I like how you tried to tie us in with the Nazis, good job sucking at life.

Take your pseudo-intellectualism and get the hell out of here. You can't even defend your side of the argument with any credibility. You might want to wait until you have high school history again so you can tell us what your lower-middle class teacher thinks about his place in society. I hate people like you. Please, jump off of a bridge.

wow you really go out of your way to tell me how much you dislike me, but yet YOU havent substantually argued anything. if you want to make someone feel dumb then maybe you should try saying something that means something and not demean yourself to using clitue remarks like jump off a bridge.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-26-2006 09:08 PM

be warned...this may be a topic that people want to discuss, and if it turns into a fight between the two of you it will be closed. keep it clean, id prefer not to do any banning.

TheBig3 01-26-2006 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAlejo
Doubtful. The administration would need the approval of Congress to get a draft going, so why would they approve the draft and then impeach him?


But you are on the right trail. Any adminstration that puts the draft in will pretty much result in the downfall of their party for the next 30-40 years.

The reason being is because if the congressional body was to approve the draft, their districts would send innumerate violent letters all but notifying that this will be the last term in office.

Well politicians don't run any more to get things done, they run to get lobbiests money. To appease the now irrate voters, they would attempt to patch the damage with an impeachment rally, remembering that impeachment doesn't mean removal, its not out of the question.

crimepartner 01-26-2006 09:11 PM

Sorry you see it that way... I have tried to keep this into a conversation, but people are better at saying no then contributing. you cn ban me I come her like once a month.

ban me if your gonna say it

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-26-2006 09:16 PM

the reason people are saying no, is because its not going to happen. there are too many against it, as most of the people that have said "no" have shown you.

TheBig3 01-26-2006 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by crimepartner
Sorry you see it that way... I have tried to keep this into a conversation, but people are better at saying no then contributing. you cn ban me I come her like once a month.

You don't need to do that. When people are that aggressive, its always best to come off looking poised and cool-headed.

Sticking to your guns when it will bring you down never made anything any better.

Lets jsut get back on topic and we'll all stay on to argue another day.

jazzfromhell 01-26-2006 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe
hehe...if the draft is enstated, we are moving to canada <<my mothers exact words.



Wouldn't you have to become a Canadian citizen before becoming ineligible for the U.S. draft? Unless I'm mistaken (possible), they can yank you right back in until you're no longer a U.S. citizen. Otherwise, I like your plan, and have thought of it myself. Just have to move a few years in advance, at the first signs of draftiness (which, to agree with what's been stated already, are not showing currently).

Crowe 01-26-2006 11:02 PM

An interesting thing about being the most powerful nation in the world is that if you do help and you don't do it exactly how the rest of the world wants it, well you're going to be scorned. However, if the most powerful nation in the world does nothing while atrocities occur - they will be scorned. It's a fun fact that every dominant empire gets to deal with.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-26-2006 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzfromhell
Wouldn't you have to become a Canadian citizen before becoming ineligible for the U.S. draft? Unless I'm mistaken (possible), they can yank you right back in until you're no longer a U.S. citizen. Otherwise, I like your plan, and have thought of it myself. Just have to move a few years in advance, at the first signs of draftiness (which, to agree with what's been stated already, are not showing currently).

true, true. so they probably would just yank me right back here. oh well. at least we're thinkin' ahead.

IamAlejo 01-27-2006 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crimepartner
every one can say "your wrong" but its insufficent. nice rebuttle...I like how it has no point other then telling me Iam wrong some how, but you dont describe how... how?

thank you

I did argue your point in my first response, in which you said "stop reading textbooks".

And i'm the one with a nice rebuttle?

The fact is that if an adminstration tried to do that, they would pretty much ruin their party for the next 30-40 years. If you can make a logical argument as to how that is wrong, other than saying I read textbooks then I'll continue this argument. Otherwise I'll just go on saying the same thing that you are wrong.

MURDER JUNKIE 01-27-2006 04:52 AM

If it really comes down to it we can send the Canadian Navy to help you guys out, we just need to find the oars

IamAlejo 01-27-2006 04:53 AM

We'd be better off sending the Salvation Army to help us out.

MURDER JUNKIE 01-27-2006 04:57 AM

or the KISS ARMY

franscar 01-27-2006 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowe
An interesting thing about being the most powerful nation in the world is that if you do help and you don't do it exactly how the rest of the world wants it, well you're going to be scorned. However, if the most powerful nation in the world does nothing while atrocities occur - they will be scorned. It's a fun fact that every dominant empire gets to deal with.

Well, invading countries illegally based on falsified and doctored information, solely for the benefit of the gas-guzzling hick brigade and their inability to purchase a vaguely fuel efficient car, whilst all the time eroding the civil liberties of your own citizens and pressurizing what few governments support you to do the same, whilst alienating the adherents of an entire religion through intolerance and propaganda, at the same time as imprisoning large numbers of men without trial for years, and sending others around the world to be tortured for useless "intelligence" is going to result in a fair amount of scorn, yes.

There won't be a draft. Bush might be stupid, but he's surrounded by purely evil, greedy men. If they commit political suicide by installing a draft then they will lose the political power that allows them to generate such absurd sums of money for themselves. Large sections of the American citizenry might be blinded by jingoistic, patriotic hoopla, but if it actually came to donning the uniform and doing the fighting themselves, there'd be a very different story from a lot of them.

IamAlejo 01-27-2006 12:24 PM

"invading countries illegally"

? Or are you talking about NATO and the UN, two bodies that 100% depend on the US for its running, denouncing our actions?

franscar 01-27-2006 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo
"invading countries illegally"

Yeah, you know. Begins with 'I', ends in 'raq'. Doesn't have weapons of mass destruction nor links to Al-Qaeda, but sod it, we'll blow it up anyway.

The invasion contravened international law, ergo, it was illegal.


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