Question (Now with a poll)
 

Would you rather die a virgin or pay for sex?

pay for sex

I would pay for it after going a few months, maybe even a few weeks. Hell I might pay after a few days.

I really like this way of thinking

I'd rather die as a virgin.
I just can't picture myself giving someone money for something I could do myself.

LMAO. Good stuff.

Not that it is any concern of mine, but are you a virgin now?
It isn't even close when you have a non-imaginary partner.

gg self-respect

it really depends on what the person will look like, if its anything i can think of than i might pay, and it also depends on how much it would cost and quality. a simple made complicated........not sure right at the moment, get back to ya on that

I'd pay for it eventually if I was THAT hopeless. It's my belief that EVERYONE can get laid. Even if you're a pizza-face retard, there is always someone out there desperate enough to fuck anything with legs.

Die as a virgin

that quote by urban made me burst out laughing.

Die during sex, that'd be hardcore.

Creep.

Let me tell you something about high, idealistic morals. I stupidly held them for a long time. Its a worthless, useless, stupid effort. I spent half my life afraid of flaws because I honestly felt one day someone would come around and acknowledge them and I'd be rewarded.

Theres nothing to be afraid of out there. You honestly have to do it and know for yourself. I came to find **** like "Self-respect" was just something other bitter losers in the game of life created. Don't be lumped in with their ilk. Not only should you do everything you want, you should be proud of it regardless of who says what.

You're either moving toward that ideal or away from it. Don't get caught in the wrong direction. Jesus, I can't stress this enough. And no you're not different, and no you won't somehow rise up above it.

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Or am I?

I don't hold ideals for others: I hold them for myself. I am not afraid of flaws: I identify them, and strive to work on them. I don't live by a moral code in order to be recognized: I live by it to fulfill myself, and make the world a better place. Discipline is not weakness: that is something the undisciplined say. If the entire world listened to your rhetoric, people would be running around raping, stealing, and killing. That is not an exaggeration: some people want to do those things. The way I have chosen to live my life is not ignorant: the way you have resigned to live yours is disappointing.

Yeah, I'm gonna' have to disagree as well here, TBTKMRD, because you're saying that people needn't be introspective at all, we can just walk around and do what we want without fear of consequences. Don't get me wrong, you can be proud of yourself, and you definitely ought to be proud of yourself for certain things, but it's also important to be able to admit to mistakes. I consider myself smart in the decisions I make, but I can still make mistakes, and unless I remember that, I will be making a lot of them, and also repeating mistakes.

I think I'd rather die a virgin than pay for sex.
Once you pay for it, it takes a way from the sentimentality of the act. (Assuming there is some.)

^ Psh. You're going to have sex with Crowe and APS, you don't even need to worry about that.

Not only should you do everything you want, you should be proud of it regardless of who says what.
^ So you should rape and kill as long as you're proud of it? That's a little screwy. Lol.

lol, good sigs paper. My favorite cartmen line is still "dude i got some sea men for free, all i had to do was go in the back alley and suck them out of this guys hose while keeping my eyes closed"
something like that at least..

Yeah. Soon I'll be adding some House quotes.

I'd pay for it because ****, everyone needs to get laid at least once, as long as the package I was buying didn't come with AIDS or HERPEGHONOCRABS or some ****. Because I'd rather live long as a virgin than die young because of the AIDS or walk around spewing anal leakage all over the place.

Pfs.

Or have they taught to think that you're free and we're all in the jail cell?

Look, Discipline is just dandy, but I get the feeling you're resisting things you've never tried. How old are you, by the way?

Well if you're going to call me Disappointing, we're going to have to compare lives, because if I can go out every night and get wasted, wake up and function at a normal hour, achieve more and do it all again, who is the real disappointment here. I mean, what exactly do you achieve with your discipline?

As for the UsedTool, you're right, not living in fear means we'd all go rape everyone, quit being so Hobbsian and operate with common sense, hypotheticals are useful until you get absurd.

Common sense is relative. One man's common sense is one man's hidden factoid.

I never said you were disappointing, I said the path you've chosen is. People who waste their time getting '****ed up' are squandering the potential they have to be great. I am only seventeen, yet I accomplish a lot with my discipline: I devote my time to school and work, hobbies and friends. I have a 4.6 GPA; I work roughly 20 hours a week, and save the majority of my earnings rather than spend them on drugs or whatnot; I bolster my relationships, and chill with friends, without indulging in drugs, alcohol, or tobacco. In my remaining spare time I fool around with Fruity Loops, and have produced thirty-odd original songs. However, my proudest achievement thus far is the receiving of a 30K scholarship to Emerson College in Boston for Audio Production/Sound Design, which I hope will help me achieve my dreams of being a record producer and owning a label someday. I am the top ranked player on my server in Day of Defeat, a highly competitive, skill based online FPS.

These 'accomplishments' may seem trivial to you; but they are not to me. Besides, I am seventeen: I have my whole life in front of me--something which drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and even promiscuity could compromise. Fulfillment is far more important than accomplishment, anyway.

Ultimately, I enjoy life to the fullest extent, without the use of drugs, alcohol, or tobacco; I don't need them to feel alive, or to appreciate the sunset, or to ease my anxious mind. I also am a virgin, and am proud to say so: I believe sex is more than a physical act and therefore am waiting until I can get the most out of it. I understand my age will be used against me; however, I am not naive. I have been asked to do drugs, and declined; I have been around people who were drinking, and abstained; I have even been tempted with sex, and have also resisted that.

I wouldn't say you're in a jail cell: I'd say you're in a valley. But the sun still shines, if you'll only climb out.

Anyone can be a philosopher huh?

Well let me make my shotty attempt and Ill direct my sloppy half-baked brilliance at Enemy: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"

Extra points for the Kubrick reference?

Anyway, who cares what about me you call disappointing, it seems to me an exercise in hypocrisy to say the way you do things is wrong, and the way I do things is right. I'll be 25 this year, I didn't drink until last July. And in hindsight, I didn't achieve anything because of it.

While my drug experimentation has been minimal at best, I will say alcohol doesn't really make a difference and how sex matters at all is beyond me. Its a human function. You're made to engage in sex as a matter of fact. So I don't really see how it would matter at all. Whatever, anyway, given the temporal nature of both alcohol and sex, I wonder how if effects anything for the couple of hours you're engaging in either.

You're going to Emerson huh? I actually find that impressive, don't be scared away by the orientation, the kids there are ****s at first on purpose to scare people off. God damn drama club kids, you get them together in a group and suddenly their too cool for the room. Anyhow, if you make it to Boston before August look me up, otherwise I'll have moved away.

Anyway, my advice still stands. Once at acting school we had to do this exercise where we passed a pillow from stomach to stomach as we laid on the floor. I'll spare you the details but it showed us all that a life governed by fear is inefficient at best and unfulfilled at worst. At least think about it.

And hold on a minute, you're going to be a record producer...in the record industry...and you're not going to do anything "fun." Not doing it might be a bigger career hinderence.

My life is not governed by fear: it is governed by discipline. I am freer in my purity than They are in their indulgence: they become slaves to the substance. I am not afraid of drugs: I am above them. I don't need them to have fun; their's is a tainted and deceitful fun, besides. It may seem cliche, but I think I can sum it up with some xBISHOPx lyrics:

I don't need to ingest poison
Just to know that I'm alive.

I'm not condemning your lifestyle: I just think there's a better way to live. And thanks for the Emerson advice, man; I'll be moving up there late August/early September.

ps: Did you attend Emerson? You seem to speak firsthand of the orientation.

Well I mean if you go look at the place, have you been yet? No I go to school is Boston though. Chances are I'll be living in Washington by the time you arrive, but I'm sure Ill visit. Ill hunt you done.

And drugs are the least of my focus, alcohol and sex are really the kickers here. As an aspiring politician though, alcohol is probably more of a necessity for me.

You could die tomorrow..not ever to know what is on the other side of your "hard work" and "discipline"...not that death is going to show you what you missed out..but I think you need a healthy balance of what you have and what some like me have..I waste the moments in my day worrying about the next five years..they...may never come...but I dont squander my intelligence and achievements on drugs..alcohol..partying..etc...I have a fine understanding of balance and good mediums..anything in excess is bad..anything..so I think you need to reevaluate why you do the things you do...are you preparing yourself just for the future..tomorrow may never come.

Easy on the ellipses there, bud.
Yeah, I took a trip up there last summer and visited the campus; took a tour and orientation. They didn't seem as bad as you made them out to be.

Hey, Enemy, I definitely support your way of thinking. I was never that disciplined until I went into the military. You definitely think a lot like I do. It's just that I started about 7 years later than you in my life. If you can do it, remained disciplined, and still get satisfaction out of life, I'm all for it. Good Luck, dawg.

Discipline is fine, but not if its being exercised for the sake of doing it. I mean, Doesn't it show much more discipline to juggle multiple things that might inhibit lesser people?

If I go to bed on time every night so I can get up for work on time, thats just habit, it might have been discipline from the outset, but it might not be correct to leave it with such a name. Furthermore, We really ought to come up with a working definition for the word, I think we might roll into a conventional wisdom idea of discipline where in everything we do that society deems "correct" is the mark of having a disciplined lifestyle.

(this could be a good discussion I think, anyone else care to join in?)

But what about the moments in between doing things "correctly" we are not being "disciplined" at all.

I get up..every morning at 5 AM..shower..brush teeth..get dressed...smoke a joint...so I was "disciplined" enough to get up...and get ready for work..but I managed to also allow myself a reward of such....

Does that make my efforts of being disciplined..short coming?

I know this is back a few posts, but how does passing a pillow show the futility of a life governed by fear?

Let's begin with a formal definition of the word:

dis·ci·pline–noun
1.training to act in accordance with rules; drill: military discipline.
2. activity, exercise, or a regimen that develops or improves a skill; training
3. punishment inflicted by way of correction and training.
4. the rigor or training effect of experience, adversity, etc.
5. behavior in accord with rules of conduct; behavior and order maintained by training and control: good discipline in an army.
6. a set or system of rules and regulations.

Now let's see what Wikipedia has to say:

"Discipline is any training intended to produce a specific character or pattern of behaviour, especially training that produces moral, physical, or mental development in a particular direction."

We come to the following conclusion: discipline is never 'for discipline's sake': it is always a path of development, a road to a better self. Whether it's disciplining yourself to work out everyday (physical improvement), express your emotions more effectively (mental development), study every night to make good marks (mental), or adhere to a defined moral code, regardless of desires (moral/social development), discipline always has a goal in mind, a peak to reach, atop which your discipline becomes an inherent part of your being, and your goal is realized.

Big3, if you can support a lifestyle of alcohol, drugs, and sex as the pursuit of a goal, a road of self-improvement, then it could be construed as a disciplined lifestyle.

Though it wasnt intended for me..

I think the point is..or what MY point is..is that why cant you have your cake and eat too? If you go to school, go to work and party...you are balancing both an achievement and a recreation.

I don't think I said, but the first time it was substantially longer, and once told about fear holding us back, we improved by over two mins...johnny come-lately.

So I guess the idea that i've set myself up to both have a full time job, apply to grad school and to align myself with a campign when I move later this year counts? Or maybe that I've already made a place amoungst a municiple mayoral election (since we're just name dropping) as a campign manager counts too?

Look, my advice still stands tall, in the situation given, you shouldn't be so prudish about "paying" for sex. Are you a puritan? Honestly, I want you to tell me what the issue is with paying for sex?

1. All of those are admirable and legitimate goals; however, is your current lifestyle helping you to achieve them?

2. I wouldn't say 'prudish' is the correct term; 'opposed to' would be more appropriate. I consider sex more than a physical act, and to pay someone for it is degrading to both parties: it is reducing the act and the flesh to a service and an object, respectively: something I am entirely against.