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~~jwb~~ · 10-31-2019, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yes, but the word typically was also built into the description meaning that those that don't are still an authority.

You don't get to cherry pick words out of what I say to push a narrative, it's as disingenuous as thinking you can just make lemonade with out sugar.

Alright maybe I was misreading you... So are you saying people who start off poor and get rich/better off typically agree that this is a relatively futile goal and that the system is so rigged that you might as well not bother?

Like Ant claims to have grown up poor and made a decent living later on. Will you accept the same message from him that you would reject from someone else? Or would you reject the message nonetheless because it's the message you actually have a problem with.

I think the latter is honestly more reasonable to me. Arguments from authority are pretty lazy.

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I know what the saying means but the saying assumes that everybody has the sugar to make lemonade when all life gave you was lemons, not sugar. It's not saying it's impossible to get the sugar to make lemonade it's just saying that it's not as easy making lemonade when you don't have the resources to do so and the people that act like it is are the ones that had sugar all along.

I think you're being a bit overly literal with it.

It's like the saying play the hand you got.. it doesn't assume you have a great hand. But their are better and worse strategies for playing it.

It's about as benign a phrase as "try to look in the bright side." There's not always necessarily a bright side. But I still think giving up any sense of hope is the worst possible strategy.

Lucem Ferre · 10-31-2019, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Alright maybe I was misreading you... So are you saying people who start off poor and get rich/better off typically agree that this is a relatively futile goal and that the system is so rigged that you might as well not bother?

I never said that.

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I still think giving up any sense of hope is the worst possible strategy.

I never said anything about giving up hope. Just that I'm sick of privileged people telling me that I don't have a right to feel ****ty about my situation.

OccultHawk · 10-31-2019, 10:01 AM

Ain’t nobody on earth made lemonade from just lemons. The expression is indicative of a profound lack of understanding and a justification of not only rich people celebrating the non-achievement of having what you’re given but as an excuse to continue the current social structure that teaches us the poor deserve to be poor.

~~jwb~~ · 10-31-2019, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I never said that.

Well since it seemed to me you ruled out poor people (those without sugar)and wealthy people(those born with sugar), the only group i could think of who "know how to make sugar but typically realize it's rigged" are people who started off poor but made something of themselves. Where did I go wrong?

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I never said anything about giving up hope. Just that I'm sick of privileged people telling me that I don't have a right to feel ****ty about my situation.

Oh, I think you actually should feel somewhat ****ty about your situation, if you don't like where you are.

Making lemonade would be taking some of those ****ty feelings and using then as motivation to maybe do something differently to improve your situation.

That's the ideal.. it's easier said than done and it's not going to work every time you try it. But it's the best ideal you can strive for to try to make things better.

There's no magic solution. I think people misinterpret my ethos as saying pull yourself up your bootstraps and you'll be successful and happy in no time. If only that were true.

Instead it's focus on small goals and incremental progress that you can actually manage, and then take the time to appreciate the pragmatic differences in your life that manifest from this.

It works for me. It's about the only thing that's ever worked. But it's far from perfect and far from a get rich quick scheme.

~~jwb~~ · 10-31-2019, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Ain’t nobody on earth made lemonade from just lemons. The expression is indicative of a profound lack of understanding and a justification of not only rich people celebrating the non-achievement of having what you’re given but as an excuse to continue the current social structure that teaches us the poor deserve to be poor.

i really think you guys miss the point of the phrase

It's not about just making lemonade. It's about using whatever you have to the best of your ability.
If you literally don't have sugar for the lemonade then you figure out a different use for them. That's how people with limited resources have gotten by for hundreds of thousands of years.

~~jwb~~ · 10-31-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the only time I could imagine "look on the bright side" as a helpful statement is if it were immediately followed with "I'm about to give you $100" or something of that nature

A lot of times there are both pros and cons involved when something happens.

Lucem Ferre · 10-31-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Alright maybe I was misreading you... So are you saying people who start off poor and get rich/better off typically agree that this is a relatively futile goal and that the system is so rigged that you might as well not bother?

That's the part I never said.

OccultHawk · 10-31-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

i really think you guys miss the point of the phrase

It's not about just making lemonade. It's about using whatever you have to the best of your ability.
If you literally don't have sugar for the lemonade then you figure out a different use for them. That's how people with limited resources have gotten by for hundreds of thousands of years.

It’s either lemonade or it ain’t.

OccultHawk · 10-31-2019, 10:21 AM

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It works for me.

Lucem Ferre · 10-31-2019, 10:21 AM

What if life gives me ****ty dried up lemons from a trash can?

Edit: I like the saying, "When life gives you lemons throw them at pedestrians" better.

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