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Gates_of_Iscariot 02-21-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by youzuck (Post 445958)
Wow, tough guy. He doesn't follow laws he doesn't want to follow.

doesnt make you tough
obviously

im not going to kill someone.
but im not going to pay taxes if i can avoid it.

The Unfan 02-21-2008 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 445906)
And funny you should mention that. Know who else doesn't agree with that? Libratarians, Aranchists, or Conservatives. Read something about William F Buckley and get back to me. Unless of course he's only a quasi-conservative or whatever the hell it is you use to save face.

Senior or junior? I don't know much about what senior's stances were but junior is for the legalization of drugs despite being originally against it. Aside from that I don't really know his reasoning.



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And not so you could hop on the public airwaves and be shocking because you're attention starved.
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be protected. It is just speech after all.




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Originally Posted by people
Words about slavery

They openly traded themselves to us. We may have captured a few, and I'll agree to that being horrible. However, for the most part they dealt with slave trading too, so to pin it on the white man is completely unfair. As far as slavery goes, it is only bad because and if it goes against the choice of the slave. If the slave has no problem with the slave/master relationship than I don't view it as bad.

Barnard17 02-22-2008 11:13 AM

Slavery was pretty abhorrent, there's no way you can spin that otherwise. There were some fair slave owners, but they were few and far between. You are, however, correct in noting that often Africans would capture those of other and even their own tribes people and sell them to the white man, so the popular assumption that slavery was white man's domain is false.

tkpb938 02-22-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 446026)
They openly traded themselves to us. We may have captured a few, and I'll agree to that being horrible. However, for the most part they dealt with slave trading too, so to pin it on the white man is completely unfair. As far as slavery goes, it is only bad because and if it goes against the choice of the slave. If the slave has no problem with the slave/master relationship than I don't view it as bad.

Ummm who the hell would be happy being a slave even if you were treated somewhat close to fair?

Inuzuka Skysword 02-22-2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 446197)
Ummm who the hell would be happy being a slave even if you were treated somewhat close to fair?

Peasants back in the feudal ages were fine with it and they were pretty much slaves.

Barnard17 02-22-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 446197)
Ummm who the hell would be happy being a slave even if you were treated somewhat close to fair?

Status perception. People outside of the monastery regard the behaviours of nuns and monks to be absurd and far from fair, that doesn't mean the nuns and monks don't see justification in their actions.

The Unfan 02-22-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 446197)
Ummm who the hell would be happy being a slave even if you were treated somewhat close to fair?

We work based on a bartering system. If your worth is $7.25 an hour and a business doesn't want to pay you $7.25 they'll either try to barter down your price or not employ you. If your worth is shelter than you'd work for free provided they give you a place to stay. I don't really see whats so absurd about this notion at all.

tkpb938 02-22-2008 11:15 PM

Theres a big f***in' difference between working for shelter and having no rights whatsoever.

ProggyMan 02-22-2008 11:19 PM

Uh, slavery doesn't mean not having rights.

The Unfan 02-23-2008 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 446453)
Theres a big f***in' difference between working for shelter and having no rights whatsoever.

I agree with what you say, just not how you say it.

[MERIT] 02-23-2008 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 446458)
Uh, slavery doesn't mean not having rights.

How so? If you are enslaved, your master can dictate your every move. You are his property, and have no rights as an individual.

The Unfan 02-23-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 446477)
How so? If you are enslaved, your master can dictate your every move. You are his property, and have no rights as an individual.

But if the person consents to those conditions than it is a non-issue.

[MERIT] 02-23-2008 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 446479)
But if the person consents to those conditions than it is a non-issue.

Well, when the choice is to "consent" or get lynched by a group of hooded klansmen, it's not really a fair choice.

The Unfan 02-23-2008 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 446481)
Well, when the choice is to "consent" or get lynched by a group of hooded klansmen, it's not really a fair choice.

You're right, sort of. If the person in question consents to being put in the position to make that choice than the choice is fair. However, that is a weird case that will probably never come up.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez 02-23-2008 03:03 AM

I agree that we should do away with the FCC. I don't think we should censor ourselves, even around little kids. We should still be gentle with kids, but we shouldn't refrain from swearing around them, or protect them from violence on T.V. and in the movies. Kids are smarter than that, and trying to protect them from things only leads to more curiosity on their part. The only reason we try to be so sweety-weety with our kids in this society is so the parents can vicariously live through them with that stage of life when they were sweet and innocent, and things weren't so uncertain. Then, once they're teens, we basically look at them like they're garbage.
As far as the anti-discrimination laws, that's a tough one. You make a good point, Unfan. The government trying to force us what to think is like something out of Orwell's 1984, and is not good. However, when that law is not enforced, and an african-american is denied work over and over and over again, I can imagine them feeling a bit outraged, and I can't very easily say, 'well, that's life,' deal with it,' because racism is stupid. Maybe the government should censor how we treat people, if people are too g*ddamn ignorant to realize that racism and prejudice is only hatred of an individual's self and inability to grow, radiated outward. Racism still exists today, and it pains me to see that people are unable to look deeper, and look inside themselves for the seeds of their hate.


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