maybe its just because i'm tired and alittle cranky,...BUT,....

if i said i didnt agree with the moderator staff and called you all a bunch of,....i dunno,...dips,....i'd get banned too?

Spam!?! :-O Send him to the gallows before his mother shows up.. quick!! No but seriously I didn't see any of this so I'll shut up before I get hung aswell.

Have you even read any of his posts?

i did after reading this thread,...before then i had never noticed him

and right track, im not pickin a fight here,...i know it may seem that way,...

i'm just askin

You guys treat it like insulting the moderators means we're more harsh. We're much more lenient towards moderator insulting than we are member insulting.

links?

This is a community. and if a member appears to only be here for the sake of being antagonistic (yes, I know how much of a hippocrite I'm being) then they shouldn't be here anymore because there behavior is negatively influencing the experience of those of us who for the most part are here to engage in moderately respectful discussion. (oh god, i'm so full of $hit)

Exactly. ^
Moderators code...that comment should be carved in stone.

And this bit ...
"(oh god, i'm so full of $hit)"

Should be in bold right?

uhhhh ok,...i owuldnt go THAT far,...

sorry fellas, i just think i'm in an argumentative mood

everyone's got a little sand innem today

I put that because all of us, A LOT of us are guilty of being antagonistic and disrespectful SOME of the time. I can be downright mean, but I also feel that the majority of the time most of our contributions are at least an attempt at being positive and insightful. Sure people opinions differ greatly and we argue about it. That's half the fun, but there are people who engage in this forum who ONLY care to be antagonistic, have no interest in fostering any sort of fellowship with the members of this forum, and detract so much from the content of the thread because everyone gets so enthralled by what a smug ignoramous someone is that thats where all of there focus and energy goes ( see the "isn't pop-punk an oxymoron" thread for new and exciting evidence of this fact) and it spams up the thread! Who wants to read 6 pages of someone trying desperately to explain how there not behaving like an imbecile, when, in fact, they are?

So anyone that doesn't agree with everything you say needs to be put against a wall?

I post on a message post that has no rules or mods and it is the best music board online.. sure everyone pretends to hate each other there but no one takes it seriously or to heart plus it gives me what I need and that is a balance and the ability to know how to confront people, oh and a bloody good laugh. There is nothing wrong with that, people could learn from this 'moron'.
To have a board that is only full of positivity is to like cutting your life in half. Lighten up a little and relax.. let your hair down and learn to love everyone not just people that want to suck your d|ck.
If this person flooded boards or if people complained about it then sure do what you have to do. But From my point of view I haven't seen any reasonable arguement against him that wasn't just a whinge.

You know what fine. How about for the next week or so we flat out stop modding at all then you guys can have your perfect music forum free of power abusive mods.

No-one is pretending for one moment that this forum is meant to be a sanctuary from confrontation and discord to which everyone can come to take part in 'circle-jerk campfire sessions' where all of the members have the same opinions, hold hands, agree on everything and be on their way.

This is a music forum and music is one of the most contentious topics... we expect controversy, arguments, and the clashing of opinions (in a civil manner of course). Everyone listens to music, everyone has their own opinions on it and everyone is stimulated by different things. It makes a music forum much more interesting when you have members who challenge the way others think about music. However, there is a difference between having and backing up strong but unusual/contentious opinions and egregiously trolling to get a rise out of people.

Musicbanter is a very high profile music forum and requires moderators to maintain it. It would go to shit without them.

awesome.

So anyone got any links to threads/posts by 'the moron'. Still havn't seen any quotes or links yet.

you do know that you can click on his name and go to find more posts and look through as many posts as you want.

This whole issue isnt even about him having a difference of opinion but from my perspective he was attacking each and every member for their opinions in one of the threads......if you were new to this forum and wanted to join into an established discussion even if your opinion was unpopular would you want to be attacked for it then stick around for more abuse from this asswipe? I don't think so

Off with his head!

The reason I put this thread up was to create a bit of debate and include members opinions (mainly for those who've been here long enough to care about the site) as to whether or not ADELE should be allowed back.
The reason for making this thread in the first place was because I was in two minds about banning him.
He's a borderline case, but I've been modding MB long enough to spot a potential disruptive member when I see one, as do the other mods and the regulars who've been posting on MusicBanter for years.
They've all seen his type here before.

My opinion of ADELE is divided.
He's either got an argumentative and disruptive personality, or he's literally taking the piss by posting provocative comments with the intention of purposefully annoying other members. In other words, a troll.
Either way, members like ADELE ruin threads.

I'm hoping this thread will be read by ADELE (I'm guessing he'll still visit until his weeks ban is up) and when his ban has expired and he comes back (should we allow him back) he'll hopefully learn how to conduct himself a bit better.

I'm sure those who would prefer an unmoderated board filled with character building hostility and a sea of spam can ask you for a link to this spectacular place you speak of.
The rest of us prefer some basic rules of civility.

I'll put it in simple terms for you because you seem to be confused here.

Tearing apart someones arguement with debate = Fine

Tearing apart someones arguement and calling them a cunt (or words to that effect) = Ban

The moderators do not want to ban anyone on here and we PM members who are being disrespectful or offensive or are trolling etc with FRIENDLY warnings. We do this because we want threads to be readable, not full of one sentence flippant replies and also to maybe entice the multitude of guests that persuse our boards.

Debate is fine, but if a member is proved constantly wrong about the facts that they have presented but they chose to ignore this and continue to post arrogantly, then it is in everyones best interests that this is looked at behind the scenes.

The advice given was completeley ignored and so consequently this issue has arisen.

Many posters would be incredibly surprised at the amount of spam and non contributing posts that we have to deal with.

Over the last few months, great efforts have been going on behind the scenes to make MB a better and more informed site. All moderators are volunteers who give up at least an hour of their time everday to help run these boards and to improve it's profile to the outside world.

Sometimes we make mistakes but on the whole I think we are a decent bunch considering some of the vitriol we sometimes recieve behind the scenes.

The encouraging of debate regarding this matter shows what a decent bunch we all are. We could have just let this matter be dealt with by us excusively.

If anybody ever has any ideas or opinions regarding the site we can all be reached by PM and will reply fairly swiftly.

My last post in this thread -
There you go jackhammer.. all you need to do is explain the situation in full for those that missed it, so EVERYONE understands the situation. NOt just people who were exposed to it.
This thread was started asking for peoples opinions on whether someone should be banned when the majority didn't even know who this member was. Including me obviously.
The question was:
ADELE...Should He Stay Or Should He Go?
There wasn't even a button to click saying 'stay', thats classed as propaganda in my eyes. To lead people into a trap to say yes or agree with your point of view with no alternative basically.
Its like saying to someone who you flip a coin with 'heads I win, tails you lose'.
If there was an option to click a button that said something like.. 'stay', or 'I don't know enough to comment' I would of clicked the latter.
It would of been interesting to see just how many other people would of clicked it aswell.
Which is basically my point.

"We could have just let this matter be dealt with by us excusively."

It sounds like you made up your mind before you even started this thread so you don't need anyones blessing. And Im sure most people wouldn't have even noticed, especially me! :P

You could barely read his posts half the time... nuff said.

Uh, 'staying' is implied by being banned for a week then returning. 'Going' is being permabanned and never being able to return.

And if you read Adele's quoted post in the first post of this thread, you'll see why this thread was created. ADELE is acting as if he is being unjustly treated at the hands of tyrannical moderators and is comparing this forum to a Russian power system. So we're granting him his wish to see what the rest of MB thinks.

Banning someone for a week? What is this school?
I must of missed the quote.. it mustn't of shocked me the same way as you mods.
I ended up reading his posts and he seems fine to me, infact he seems like a rather interesting fellow indeed. shame.

EDIT: Just reread that first post (quote), and I remember it now. eerr I don't see what is wrong with it? :S

Get off your soapbox. The moderators aren't the gestapo, and if you prefer to be on a message board with no rules or order, then maybe you time is best occupied there, not here. Just some constructive criticism. Someone should close this thread.

If people want to behave like children, then...

Kinda makes me wonder why you've been posting in here at all really.

You don't even know what you're talking about, do you?

How about, it was made with an alternative account...after he was banned?
This time, try actually reading the first post.

In fact I'll save you the bother...here it is again, bolded, for the hard of thinking;

If this is the REPUBLIC of musicbanter, then wouldn't that make you all ... *gasp* Republicans?!

For real, if you perma-ban him he'll just come back with 5 new IP addresses and 20 new accounts and spam the boards. Let he little bugger off easy, it'll save you work in the long run.

Not everyone is BungalowBill, in fact most people aren't. Perma-ban usually works to get rid of people. It worked on you for a quite a long time :p: It's also worked on hiu and countless other people. Bill is really the only example where someone's continued to come back.

bill still tells me about his trollings on MB -_-

wouldn't he catch a hint after, what? the 20th ban?

This is going on his second year of being banned. He's registered between 50-100 accounts, no joke.

i do'nt even know who the hell this ADELE is

Right Track i am disappointed in you.

There is no need for that poll!

Option B is clearly the best way.

I voted for perma, less dregs the better.

^truf

I voted 1 week. I think ADELE seems the type to make multiple accounts.

I did'nt start the thread. I wrote a well informed post about what the moderators do and how they approach situations. You obviously did'nt read the original post correctly.

I wouldn't take any notice of him Lee...he's just a noise.
Take a look at his posts in chronological order;

Oh wait ^ a sudden admission of not even knowing who this ADELE person is...or why he's been banned despite his previous two posts.

^ Proof he doesn't even know what he's going on about.

^ An attack on SATCHMO for no good reason whatsoever.
Followed by...

^ Finally, he now seems to have taken the trouble of actually reading ADELE'S posts and is now talking with some sense based on his findings...or is he?

^ Well fuck me!!!
Obviously he hasn't!

Rubberneck seems to have a moderator complex.
Banned from any forums recently Rubberneck?

I think the most annoying thing on this forum is people who constantly go into threads & nitpick trivial things rather than actually bother to stick their neck out & offer proper opinions of any great substance.