The thing I feel all religions have in common is faith. I never intended to criticize your faith, and by having it, you are not offending anyone. But to claim your beliefs as fact IS faith, just like how I feel my beliefs are fact. Everyone has their own idea of a "god" or higher being, whether they exist or not, it's a matter of perception. There is no fact to prove it's existance.

yo, where do satan worhippers go when they die? wif dem bein like that theyd probly think hell was right bangin. hella confusin son.

never fort of it like that, mybe there 'hell' is heaven?

maybe there's two kinds of heavens. one for idiots, and another for even bigger idiots.

ill be in the 'even bigger idiots'. that'll be me

Dude hell heaven dont exist you die and lifes over thats it.

Man i need a translator^^^.

Where do satan worhippers go when they die? what if them being like that(refreing to bad people sining or whatever) theyd probly think hell was awesome. confusing man.

Not that hard dude.

i do not believe in religion perse`. if you were to ask me, god is dead. in the old testaments he appeared frequently. but as time progressed he is described as older and older and weaker physically, if thats possible for a god. then he stops altogether. his son is sent, and inevitably killed. religion for me is a rich story. and though it has it worths which i am not blind enough to miss, it is not agreeable to me.
i do not however believe that it is over with death. sure when at ym sceptical peak i can, but not when i think about it. every single civilisation prior to ours was based on some form of afterlife. and these civilisations in many ways were a lot more advanced. the ancient greeks and their political structures. the ancient mayans and their unbelievable calculations that could predict where a star would sit in the sky in hundreds of years. calculations that today would use over 5 fields of maths and science.
also throughout history there are many odd occurances. the same "gods" descirbed in the same ways by different peoples of different times and lands. staying with the mayan theme, Itzamna, a giant bird-like lizard standing 7ft tall opposed to blood sacrifices who "came from the stars" is depicted exactly the same way in a number of other civilisations. for example the aztecs.
there is a lot of unexplained happenings throughout history. different people fill them in various ways. religions often supply meaning and reason to such times.

I took a philosophy class a few years ago and they taught us something very interesting: Basically, it isn't a bad idea to believe in "god", because if you are indeed rewarded for having faith, then might as well have it, because there is nothing you can lose from having faith. In other words, even if it turns out to be bull, you wouldn't have lost anything (maybe time and effort). I didn't necessarily agree with my professor, but I thought it was a very logical idea.

I have never met a god merciful and quick to accceptance.
I know what redemption is but I'm scared that for all the years I spent as a nonbeliever God if any exist will not forgive me of all the since I've commit. How can he forgive me for my sins if I can't forgive myself for them?
But there is hope because if Jesus can turn water to wine then Satan can turn water to vodka and while wine is sweeter than vodka, vodka is much more tempting. :laughing:

But seriously I'm one of the most spiritual people I know and my beliefs on god are plain adn simple. SOme dudes from the future traveled in time to test out artifical insemination and they came across this sex chic named Mary. Mary saw these strange clothed foreigners appar out of the sky from nowhere and she went into a temporary parlysis. When she came to, the guys had already injected sperm into her.
The guys told her not to tell anyone what had happened. And 6 months later when she started to show signs of pregnancy, she didn't wanna lie but she was scared of what the guys would do to her if she told the truth. So she made up this really big tall tale and said that a creature called "god" did this to her. And then 3 months later she gave birth to a ordinary man named Jesus.
As for the turning water to wine, and healing thing.
The sperm used to impregnate was that of a really good magician. :laughing:
if memory serves correct I believe he was related to houdini.
And Jesus was not white. he wasn't black either. Apparently mixing the semen of a magician and the egg of a normal white or black person (doesn't matter) makes you green.

Although to be quite honest and rather less comical, I personally believe that the color of jesus should not deter you from his teachings or inflence you whether he was black, yellow, white, or geen.
And I personally think that if there is scientific evidence that proves whether he was black or white you should still remain faithful to him no matter the color your skin.

Peace out.

Jesus is the ruthless dictator
According to the bible, if u speak against him, he will smite you, much like how stalin would make you "dissapear" He wants you to live a sinless, miserable life of a poor man. The bible is his propoganda, he tells of the devil and his temptation. If you find a bible of Satan, you should read it, I havent though but I'll bet Satan's ideal people would have fun and never speak against him. It would probably not be as evil as the Satan in the bible. the BIBLE says satan wants you to suffer. Why would the BIBLE say good things about Satan.
Besides, its not like religion is right
Religion is a governing power and a way of explaining science when the world was underdeveloped

No many she was either raped after she was passed out from a mixture of mead and weed by some dude named joseph. He didnt want people to think he was a rapist so when Mary said she saw good (halucinated), he went with it and said he saw god too. And the miracles were just people's imaginations running away with them because they thought he was the son of God.

My other theory is that she was probed by some aliens and they erased her memory and made up a new one, the same with Joseph. The miracles were magic powers from the alien's genes. We are a big game to them. Now they gave our cows BSE, thats why they mutilated them, to test BSE

lolo i agree it was the aliens!!

Eye H8 God. If he wants uz 2 believe in him then why don't he show himself and give uz proof? If the guy can create all of this, and make many other miracles, then it seems it wouldn't be too hard to appear on this earth he is said 2 have created. He sends uz to hell (Although some of uz were born into it..) if we don't believe in him. He hasn't gave uz any proof. What the hell do U expect uz to do? Why don't people believe that pigs fly? Cuz they haven't seen any proof. People worship and devote their life to this man, turning away from doing the things they enjoy, because he has labeled them az sins. I'd post more, but I'll be here all night if I continue. There's so much 2 say. Ohh yeah, that saying "God works in mysterious ways" iz used by Christians 2 cover up the glitches in the bible if U ask me..

It's not that Christians do not commit sins. The only difference is, they commit a sin, then repent the next morning. That apparently saves them from eternal damnation. But still, people are entitled to believe in God/Religion if that makes them feel satisfied, so honestly I respect those that have faith, because that is a concept I cannot and never have grasped. I'm gonna live life the way it seems right to me; it doesn't seem logical for me to spend my whole life wondering what happens when I die. It's f*cking sad to think we are all gonna go someday, but until then, f*ck it, I'm living life to the fullest.

I hate the guy, but I have to admit that without the idea of him to keep many people in check, the world would be worse than it iz already.. Yeah, it can get worse.

thats the whole point of him, hes a government lie from the beginning of time
France used to be governed by the clergy, i think it was the highest point of the french government, not today of course

im pretty sure neither exist. *waits for an elderly, bearded bloke wearing sandles to tear the roof off and tell him hes wrong before zapping him with a hefty dose of lightning*

for **** sake stop badmouthing the french. look through history every world power back then was governed by the church. so was the british who raided half the world on their crusades.
if you were to read the bible you would see that the governing power of the time was against jesus and actually killed him. i know everybody its a shock, i bet NOBODY knew that hey?
i am yet to see a usefull post from you.

Plus Jesus's own people sold him out.

big baby jesus. one love. holla.

The Crusades were sponsored by the Pope, and it was the ruling elites from all over Christian Europe that went over there to have a good old fashioned fight.

You all seem 2 know your history well :cool:

So according to you, belief in jesus is the only thing that keeps people in check? I guess morals and conscience doesn't factor into the equation at all then. Believe it or not, it IS possible to have morals if you're not religious, shocking I know. As well, that statement clearly illustrates that you don't know a lot abut historical events, because a HUGE number of the major conflicts in history were started on religious grounds.

I'm doing my degree in it, so I sort of have to, but thanks.

You are right. I don't know my history too well. I don't look at history to get an opinion on God. I don't care about whatever happened in the past with Jesus. I don't believe in him, therefore I'm not gonna waste time reading up on him. BTW, people ask me all the time "How can you hate God, if you don't believe in him?" To go ahead and clear that up, I hate the idea of God... The fairy tale character known as God.

just because you dont like something doesnt mean you shouldnt learn about it. if we are unable to learn from history, it is likely to happen again. this isnt just to religion obviously.

I've attempted to read the bible before. B..o..r..i..n..g.. And I've heard enuff history from people to fill a few books. It ain't the stuff written in history that gives me the opinion I have anyway. I have my reasons for thinking the way I do. If people believe in it all, then good for them. They have something to look forward to.

^haha.
ah the bible...also known as the ten thousand page sleeping pill.

I'm not sure you really got what I was trying to say when I told you to look at events in history. That was only related to your comment that belief in god keeps people in check, not about your personal beliefs on religion.

So you're saying to look at history when it comes to keeping people in check? I know that religions aren't the only things that keep people in check. Religion izn't needed to keep people in check. I'm just stating that without them, it seems that a majority of people that do have their religion to keep them in check, would fall off. Put simply.. Keeping people in check iz one of the benefits of religion. I'm starting to hate the word "Check" LoL!!

^ once again, you've completely missed the point. I said that by looking at events in history, religion has proved to provoke people to do violent acts rather than "keep them in check" so your argument doesn't really hold up.

I didn't say that was what you meant. I asked if that was what U meant. And now that I know what you're saying, I'll reply correctly. I know that religion has lead people to violent acts and such. There have been wars over religion. BTW.. "Christians Murdered Indians"

^ that's stupid, those people only called themselves christians, true christians wouldn't do that. it's wrong to talk about that, because it isn't God's fault that we/them act the way we/them do. so people are stupid if they missinterpret the Bible and kill others...it's all like that Marilyn Manson issue...when will we get over it??

http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html


read the part about the beetle that can shoot boiling-hot toxic chemicals out of its butt. that's the best part. :laughing:

Still, it's been proven time and time again that people will use religion as a means to justify atrocities. Why do you say it's wrong to talk about it? Would you rather we just forget the mass murders, wars, genocides etc. started in the name of religion? The only way we can learn and progress is to talk about these events, find out how they were allowed to happen and progress to the level that they did. And I'm not sure where you're going with the marilyn manson thing...

said it's wrong to talk about that cause people call "christians" some stupid men who pretended to do what the Bible says but kill and destroy instead. it is wrong because that's not what christian means, at least in my opinion. and how can someone compare those men back in the 17th century with modern people? like "christians used to kill witches" blah blah. i mean yeah, it's true but that doesn't mean it's wrong to believe in God or anything. and about the marilyn manson thing... people who say kids commit suicide or do stupid things after listening to his music...isn't it similar to the "people who do stupid things after reading the Bible"? it's all about how you interpret things and whether you use your brain or not (talking about those who blame manson or God for what people do)

your still not getting what shes saying. religion has caused multiple atrocities, all religions, not just christianity...well, probably not buddism but hey lets overlook that one. you said true christians wouldnt do that? in such times a "true" christian would be seen as one who would and does do it, and anyone who doesnt labelled as evil or anti-christ etc

Genocide has been commited many times throuhout history, not just in the 17th century. As we speak there are many countries going through wars fought over the basis of religion, so it's incredibly easy to compare what was happening in the times of the crusades and other mass murders based on religious grounds to the present time. And you're argument that the poeple comitting these crimes aren't "real christians" doesn't hold much weight. All it takes is for enough people to go along with it. FYI, the crusades were carried out under the direction of the pope, you can't be more of a "real christian" than the pope can you? Again, you've completely missed the point. I'm not saying that people automatically feel compelled to comit crimes against humanity after reading the bible, the koran, or whatever. I'm saying that religion can be and has been used as an excuse to commit violent acts, and we have to talk about these events in order to prevent them from happening in the future, something we're not even close to accomplishing.