I'm not sure you really got what I was trying to say when I told you to look at events in history. That was only related to your comment that belief in god keeps people in check, not about your personal beliefs on religion.

So you're saying to look at history when it comes to keeping people in check? I know that religions aren't the only things that keep people in check. Religion izn't needed to keep people in check. I'm just stating that without them, it seems that a majority of people that do have their religion to keep them in check, would fall off. Put simply.. Keeping people in check iz one of the benefits of religion. I'm starting to hate the word "Check" LoL!!

^ once again, you've completely missed the point. I said that by looking at events in history, religion has proved to provoke people to do violent acts rather than "keep them in check" so your argument doesn't really hold up.

I didn't say that was what you meant. I asked if that was what U meant. And now that I know what you're saying, I'll reply correctly. I know that religion has lead people to violent acts and such. There have been wars over religion. BTW.. "Christians Murdered Indians"

^ that's stupid, those people only called themselves christians, true christians wouldn't do that. it's wrong to talk about that, because it isn't God's fault that we/them act the way we/them do. so people are stupid if they missinterpret the Bible and kill others...it's all like that Marilyn Manson issue...when will we get over it??

http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html


read the part about the beetle that can shoot boiling-hot toxic chemicals out of its butt. that's the best part. :laughing:

Still, it's been proven time and time again that people will use religion as a means to justify atrocities. Why do you say it's wrong to talk about it? Would you rather we just forget the mass murders, wars, genocides etc. started in the name of religion? The only way we can learn and progress is to talk about these events, find out how they were allowed to happen and progress to the level that they did. And I'm not sure where you're going with the marilyn manson thing...

said it's wrong to talk about that cause people call "christians" some stupid men who pretended to do what the Bible says but kill and destroy instead. it is wrong because that's not what christian means, at least in my opinion. and how can someone compare those men back in the 17th century with modern people? like "christians used to kill witches" blah blah. i mean yeah, it's true but that doesn't mean it's wrong to believe in God or anything. and about the marilyn manson thing... people who say kids commit suicide or do stupid things after listening to his music...isn't it similar to the "people who do stupid things after reading the Bible"? it's all about how you interpret things and whether you use your brain or not (talking about those who blame manson or God for what people do)

your still not getting what shes saying. religion has caused multiple atrocities, all religions, not just christianity...well, probably not buddism but hey lets overlook that one. you said true christians wouldnt do that? in such times a "true" christian would be seen as one who would and does do it, and anyone who doesnt labelled as evil or anti-christ etc

Genocide has been commited many times throuhout history, not just in the 17th century. As we speak there are many countries going through wars fought over the basis of religion, so it's incredibly easy to compare what was happening in the times of the crusades and other mass murders based on religious grounds to the present time. And you're argument that the poeple comitting these crimes aren't "real christians" doesn't hold much weight. All it takes is for enough people to go along with it. FYI, the crusades were carried out under the direction of the pope, you can't be more of a "real christian" than the pope can you? Again, you've completely missed the point. I'm not saying that people automatically feel compelled to comit crimes against humanity after reading the bible, the koran, or whatever. I'm saying that religion can be and has been used as an excuse to commit violent acts, and we have to talk about these events in order to prevent them from happening in the future, something we're not even close to accomplishing.