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Sneer 07-08-2009 04:45 PM

Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs
 
Has anybody watched that video? It defies belief. (To anybody who hasnt, i strongly advise you dont, seriously)

Antonio 07-08-2009 04:49 PM

one of my friends is from Ukraine and told me about it. crazy shit

simplephysics 07-08-2009 05:03 PM

I fully intended on watching the videos until I read up on these sick fuckers & saw some of the hanged animal pictures, that's enough for me thanks.

Sneer 07-08-2009 05:10 PM

I genuinely regret watching it. One of the reasons being that what i saw will scar me for life, the other being that i feel it is an utterly immoral act to watch it. I concede, i initially wanted to watch it out of morbid curiosity, I did not think for a second it would be as horrific as it actually was. 10 seconds in and i was ashamed of myself. That poor guy.

Guybrush 07-08-2009 05:18 PM

The video where they kill a guy with hammer and screwdriver? Never ever in my life would I want to watch something like that. I also have a morbid curiosity, but I'm glad to say it's not quite that corrupted.

Not that I'm religious, but ff there is a hell, I hope they fry.

edit :

I strongly suggest noone watches that vid and if I see any links to it on the site, I will ban. For those who can't contain their curiosity, here's an article from Timesonline from someone who did watch it.

It took 1 min 47 seconds for my memory to become host to a horror that will never go

Freebase Dali 07-08-2009 09:10 PM

The main thing I find disturbing about it is the nonchalance at which the kids are committing murder.

The question I find myself asking is if there is truly evil in this world, or just no God to help us.
It can be only one of those two.

Either way... We're all fucked

Freebase Dali 07-08-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 700688)
I genuinely regret watching it. One of the reasons being that what i saw will scar me for life, the other being that i feel it is an utterly immoral act to watch it. I concede, i initially wanted to watch it out of morbid curiosity, I did not think for a second it would be as horrific as it actually was. 10 seconds in and i was ashamed of myself. That poor guy.

So for you, do you find it easier knowing stuff like this happens all the time, as long as you don't have to physically see it?
Or does the video shock some realization of mortality into you and make you realize that every single one of us is potentially the victim you saw in that video, and that everyone you meet is potentially the killer?

To me, I know this crap happens. Me seeing a video of it doesn't change that knowledge. I'm sickened every day of my life by the state of humanity. A video of what's happening behind the curtains isn't going to bring me out of some kind of placated fuzzy shell of a life I never pretended to live in, in the first place.

I say people (responsible people, not kids) need to watch this kind of thing and shock themselves into reality and quit living in this pseudo-security blanket of warm little fairy tales and cuddle bunnies, and get fucking wise.

We're all victims because we think it would never happen to us.

Guybrush 07-08-2009 09:50 PM

Fortunately, the sheep have a legal system and a way to punish the wolves, imperfect though it may be.

I'm also shocked by how easy it is for these kids to commit murder and torture, but I think what people need to watch is not these kids victimizing others, but rather these kids facing the consequences. It's a better lesson that society can and shall deal with monsters rather than accept some gloomy "fact" you're the eternal victim. These guys obviously don't deserve a place in society and should suffer for it, that's a ****ing lesson.

Freebase Dali 07-08-2009 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 700809)
Fortunately, the sheep have a legal system and a way to punish the wolves, imperfect though it may be.

I'm also shocked by how easy it is for these kids to commit murder and torture, but I think what people need to watch is not these kids victimizing others, but rather these kids facing the consequences. It's a better lesson that society can and shall deal with monsters rather than accept some gloomy "fact" you're the eternal victim. These guys obviously don't deserve a place in society and should suffer for it, that's a ****ing lesson.

Unless you're voting for public execution, then I don't think we're going to learn anything new from seeing a court case and these guys being sentenced to life imprisonment or death. Everyone knows you get punished for breaking the law.

But if you find yourself surprised that there are people that are capable of doing this kind of thing and smiling the whole time like they're winning a game of ping-pong, then you damn sure better believe you're learning something. You're learning that people have the capacity to be animals without a conscience.
That's knowledge that will help you. It probably would have helped that guy in the video. But people get caught up in their own lives and forget that it's not so secure.
I'm not saying be afraid the rest of your life... But use this as an eye opener to force some situational awareness into our ignoring little brains and SAVE SOME LIVES. Possibly even our own.

I don't know about you... but I'd prefer not to wait until a crime has been committed just so I could show everyone the consequence.

Guybrush 07-08-2009 10:14 PM

I think you're trivializing what they did. I live in a society where the chance of this happening to you any random day of the week is practically zero. I don't know of any norwegian serial killers and they're not a feature of anyone's everyday life so I don't see why the lesson to learn here is to always be prepared for that horrible unpreparable near-nil chance of something like this happen. I know my mind is just not that dark.

I think it is important to know that you live in a society that raises people good or bad and even if it's near perfect, there's no guarantee you won't raise a monster every now and then. Maybe it's not even society's fault, it could be something about their biology that makes them so. The important thing then is that society is able to deal with that, preferably before violence and murder happens - but when that fails and the act has happened, society still owes it to the victims it failed to protect and the people who no longer feel safe to make an example and show that it does not accept this kind of stuff and will punish the guilty.

Always being prepared for the worst - except in rare cases - does not really make it better for anyone, not even yourself.

Freebase Dali 07-09-2009 12:19 AM

Dismissing a situation due to demographics may work for you, but it doesn't do much for the people who actually get affected by it.
I'm looking at it in a larger scale than my own sweet self.

And if there's anything I've learned in my life, it's don't always expect the worst, but always be prepared for it.
I can't tell you how many times its saved my ass.
If you assume that knowledge of consequence will, or ever has, stopped senseless violence, then you're living in an imaginary world. By people having the knowledge and means to protect themselves in case of a life threatening situation, it saves more lives than everyone sitting there thinking the criminals committing these crimes are suddenly going to have an attack of conscience.

midnight rain 07-25-2009 12:14 PM

This video is pretty old, surprising no one's brought it up before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 700788)
To me, I know this crap happens. Me seeing a video of it doesn't change that knowledge. I'm sickened every day of my life by the state of humanity. A video of what's happening behind the curtains isn't going to bring me out of some kind of placated fuzzy shell of a life I never pretended to live in, in the first place.

I say people (responsible people, not kids) need to watch this kind of thing and shock themselves into reality and quit living in this pseudo-security blanket of warm little fairy tales and cuddle bunnies, and get fucking wise.

We're all victims because we think it would never happen to us.

If it does happen to us, I don't think exposing ourselves to it first would make us any more prepared to incur a hammer to the face or a screwdriver to the eye. Things like this are just when the worst of luck strikes, and there's honestly really nothing you can do by that point.

Freebase Dali 07-25-2009 03:16 PM

^ I carry a loaded 9mm pistol in my car. If I'm unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, at least I have more of a chance that I'll survive a fucked up situation.

I'm just saying it's wise to know that there are people out there who do not value human life. If you value your own life, don't think the cops are always going to be there to save it.
We're ultimately responsible for our own safety no matter how many laws are in place... because there's always people who don't give a shit about laws and who definitely don't give a shit about you.

The Unfan 07-25-2009 03:37 PM

I watched 5-ish minutes of the video. For the most part it is very blurry, and after about 2 minutes it isn't really shocking. That may seem slightly corrupted and shallow, but after you see a guy get hit in the face with a hammer seeing him get hit 3 more times doesn't really add much horror, especially when you know he'll be dying in advance. The scary part isn't what you're actually seeing, but the mindset behind it, so the visualisation doesn't have much punch when you know what to expect.

Freebase Dali 07-25-2009 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 709423)
I watched 5-ish minutes of the video. For the most part it is very blurry, and after about 2 minutes it isn't really shocking. That may seem slightly corrupted and shallow, but after you see a guy get hit in the face with a hammer seeing him get hit 3 more times doesn't really add much horror, especially when you know he'll be dying in advance. The scary part isn't what you're actually seeing, but the mindset behind it, so the visualisation doesn't have much punch when you know what to expect.


It also helps when you watch Nothing Toxic all day long.
Man there's some crazy gore videos in there.

This one guy does a swan dive off a bridge or something, and lands face first on the edge of a cement ledge... splits his entire face in half. They show close ups, he's still breathing, and the doctors are trying to hold his face together.

jackhammer 07-25-2009 06:03 PM

I watched about 5 minutes of it. It was shocking yes but pretending that shit like this is a one of is naive to say the least. It's only because technology and communication has become readily available that more people are exposed to it. Genocide, war crimes, suicide etc has been going on since the year dot but it's easy to dismiss it when it's just word of mouth or the written word.

someonecompletelyrandom 07-26-2009 04:09 PM

What disturbs me more is are things like this:

Warning: Mildy Gorey Content

3Guys1Hammer - Encyclopedia Dramatica

People uploading reactions of themselves watching the video, etc. It's making light of something like this and to think that this guy's kids might one day stumble upon it, you know?

These people are almost as f-cked up than the kid's that did it in the first place.

LoathsomePete 07-26-2009 08:51 PM

I don't normally wish this upon people, but I hope these individuals are getting raped, beaten to within an inch of their life, sent to the infirmary till they're healed up only to have it happen over and over again. I don't wish death upon them because that would be the easy way out for them. What I do wish is for every day to feel like hell, that every night they wish for death only to not have it come and instead the pain and misery that they inflicted on the victim and the victim's family. I'm just glad that they were taken out of society this early in life, I mean 21 victims for people that are younger than me is incredibly unnerving but I mean it could have been so much more if they weren't caught.

BTown 07-26-2009 08:59 PM

I watched it like 5 hours ago and eversince I cannot get that pictue of that guys bloddy face out of my head.

All i can think about is how he could have just been walking to town to by groceries for his family and just like that he was brutally tortured.

clarksided 07-27-2009 01:24 AM

Yeah, take the above guy's advice and never watch it. I haven't and I don't plan to watch it.

FaSho 07-27-2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conan (Post 709958)
What disturbs me more is are things like this:

Warning: Mildy Gorey Content

3Guys1Hammer - Encyclopedia Dramatica

People uploading reactions of themselves watching the video, etc. It's making light of something like this and to think that this guy's kids might one day stumble upon it, you know?

These people are almost as f-cked up than the kid's that did it in the first place.

Wow those images at the bottom are just horrible. What's worse is that this could eventually just turn into a shock video like 2g1c etc.


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