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TheBig3 12-27-2009 01:07 PM

To be honest with you, I scan your posts because as a Mod I need to make sure everythings in order, but I never give them much thought because their such a time investment.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-27-2009 01:21 PM

I don't think the problem is that your posts are long.

I think it's more to do with the fact they're long AND boring.
Hence most boring poster votes.

FETCHER. 12-27-2009 01:24 PM

Harsh...

I have a short attention span, therefore sometimes I tune out then have to read them again to even remember what I just read. I don't think you're boring. I find you fascinating at times when you write posts about science and stuff, which I'm highly interested in. I don't even remember wither it was you or BoardTracker I voted for. If it was you I wouldn't be offended. I'm biased, cause BoardTracker's the man. Guy's like a brother.

VEGANGELICA 12-27-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kayleigh. (Post 790546)
Harsh...

I have a short attention span, therefore sometimes I tune out then have to read them again to even remember what I just read. I don't think you're boring. I find you fascinating at times when you write posts about science and stuff, which I'm highly interested in. I don't even remember wither it was you or BoardTracker I voted for. If it was you I wouldn't be offended. I'm biased, cause BoardTracker's the man. Guy's like a brother.

Oh, no, I'm not offended, kayleigh! Boredom is in the eye of the beholder. Being considered more boring than a boardtracker bot is rather amusing!

FETCHER. 12-27-2009 05:52 PM

I just wanted to tell you though, that I don't think you're boring.

VEGANGELICA 12-27-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kayleigh. (Post 790621)
I just wanted to tell you though, that I don't think you're boring.

Oh, I understood that, but thank you, kayleigh, for making sure I know! I meant to say that being considered by other people (not you) to be more boring than a bot is amusing. I wish the human behind the bot would show her/himself more often! I would think he/she would have more fun on MB as an active participant, especially with all the adoring fans.

jackhammer 12-27-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 790632)
Oh, I understood that, but thank you, kayleigh, for making sure I know! I meant to say that being considered by other people (not you) to be more boring than a bot is amusing. I wish the human behind the bot would show her/himself more often! I would think he/she would have more fun on MB as an active participant, especially with all the adoring fans.

You have intelligence by the bucketload bit I still haven't got a bloody clue what music you like and why you like it. These simple steps help enormously on MB.

Arya Stark 12-27-2009 06:51 PM

She likes weird music about poles.

Neapolitan 12-27-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 790639)
You have intelligence by the bucketload bit I still haven't got a bloody clue what music you like and why you like it. These simple steps help enormously on MB.

What does "by the bucketload bit" mean? It sounds like a neat little English expression. I can imagine two elderly English women sitting on a park bench talking about people, "Ew, she has her hands full, hon." "Indeed, by the bucketload bit."

I think I might even use that expression like for example if my neighbor ever ask if I have any sugar to spare I think I use that phrase "Yeah, sure you can have a cup, I've got lots, by the bucketload bit."

FETCHER. 12-27-2009 08:25 PM

"you have loads of intelligence but" I think anyways thats what it means to me :laughing:

Neapolitan 12-27-2009 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kayleigh. (Post 790670)
"you have loads of intelligence but" I think anyways thats what it means to me :laughing:

well thank you by the bucketload bit
and Kaylleigh, I think you are very intelligent too

VEGANGELICA 12-28-2009 11:52 AM

My Musical Tastes (again)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 790639)
You have intelligence by the bucketload bit I still haven't got a bloody clue what music you like and why you like it. These simple steps help enormously on MB.

Hey jackhammer,
Since you wrote that you wondered about my musical tastes, and since I *am* up for “most boring member,” I’ll quote the posts I’ve made over the last 6 months that answer your questions.

Summary: I am more interested in the process people use to make music than in critiques of the finished product, the music itself. Listening to music for me is rather like looking at a still photograph of a ballet: I much prefer watching the movement that creates the ballet. In this analogy, the movement of the ballet equals the intentions, abandon, and exuberance of the people as they think of and construct new music and especially lyrics.

Though I have preferences about the end-product, the music itself, I don’t focus on those at MB. I’d rather read what songwriters in the songwriting section are thinking as they create new songs, because I want to learn about what the process is like for them and offer feedback. I also like to try to figure out what motivated and inspired established musicians to create their pieces. For me this analysis adds to, rather than detracts from, the appreciation of their music.

Still, I have described my musical tastes several times on MB.

Back in June, 4 days after I joined MB, I described my musical tastes in a post entitled, “My Musical Tastes,” in my intro thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 675303)
Hi, Antonio! Thank you for asking. Since I grew up in the 70s - 80s I find I gravitate toward groups from that time...though I hear some songs on the radio in the last several years that I love (I just can't remember their names!). In general I like alternative rock music the best, but my tastes are fairly broad. Here's a list of a few groups and particular songs I like:

Depeche Mode ("Personal Jesus")
Vivaldi (violin concertos)
Seitz (violin concertos)
MGMT ("Indie Rokkers," "Time to Pretend"--I like it that they say they just play what they like, regardless what others feel)
Bread ("If" and "Diary"--very sweet; always make me sad)
Sweet ("Love is like Oxygen"--the first rock song I remember stirring me)
A. Corelli (Sonata for Violin "La Folia"--great repetition of theme with variation)
Naked Eyes ("There's always something there to reimind me")
The Recanteurs ("Steady as she goes"--very easy guitar part; fun to play; I like the intensity of it)
Veridical Fiction ("Disconnect"--which is like a very good haircut. Emotional, intense, and mesmerizing. We'll see if he's reading this!).

How about yourself, Antonio? --Erica

Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....#ixzz0b0UsYZ38

More on my feelings about various music genres:

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 756427)
As for myself, I am not sure if I fit musical stereotypes, if there are any, about female bisexual people. In general I don't like genres and classifications and instead enjoy music that seems unusual or quirky in some way, but emotionally compelling. Perhaps my musical tastes do relate to being bisexual: a person's category doesn't determine whether I feel drawn to that person; rather, the person's singular characteristics are especially important. Similarly, a particular song's characteristics may make me like it, regardless what genre it is.

I feel my age and particular upbringing had the most impact on my musical tastes. I rarely listen to music as a leisure activity, probably because I am very goal oriented and not good at relaxing (although MusicBanter is relaxing for me!). I grew up in a "classical" household and often felt bored by much of the classical music, especially long symphonies. As a young-un I felt pop and rock music music were usually "beneath" me because they seemed too vapid and focused only on sex and love. A genre I have always disliked is jazz, probably because I prefer order over improvisation. I find rap music tedious because it often seems very antagonistic and self-preening. I generally despise trance and dance music. Country music seems too saturated with gender stereotypes and trite topics. Metal is too harsh and gives me a headache. I don't care for musicals much, either, because the themes/tunes seem so simplistic. Oh...and I don't like opera, having sat through more Wagner operas than I care to remember. However, I probably like at least one song in every genre...and I will listen to a song so I can learn what makes someone else appreciate it, even if the song isn't one that appeals to me.

Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....#ixzz0b0aEZl9R

Why I like music (posted in the “Why Do You Love Music Thread”):

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 768085)
Your description matches closely the reasons I love music. I like the fact that music is a peaceful way to express emotion and stir it in others. I also love the way music is absorbing...when I listen to or make music, I concentrate on the music so much that for that moment I forget that life will end, and it is nice to be able to forget that sometimes.

I can relate to what you said, ribbons! One of my strongest memories relating to music was when I went to a Junior High dance and heard a song playing that I loved...I rushed to the dance floor with a friend, but felt so self-conscious and shy that I couldn't get myself to move. I just stood there, unable then to give into my emotions and show them. I think over time hearing music, hearing other people expressing themselves through music, helped me feel more comfortable with myself and my own emotions...anger, frustration, love, joy, disgust, hopelessness, abandonment, silliness, etc.

Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....#ixzz0b0Z00WHY

AwwSugar...heh heh...yes, I like weird music about poles. :) That pole song probably shows a lot about my musical tastes. Did you notice I tried using counterpoint of melodies in it? And, of course, it is stuffed with rhymes.

right-track 12-28-2009 12:10 PM

Hands up those who didn't read any of the above post...

Arya Stark 12-28-2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 790902)
AwwSugar...heh heh...yes, I like weird music about poles. :) That pole song probably shows a lot about my musical tastes. Did you notice I tried using counterpoint of melodies in it? And, of course, it is stuffed with rhymes.

I didn't notice.
I was so surprised that you'd write a song like that, I couldn't listen anymore!

NumberNineDream 12-28-2009 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 790913)
I didn't notice.
I was so surprised that you'd write a song like that, I couldn't listen anymore!

nah, one of my favourite songs on MB, not a song worthy of the most boring member.

Bane of your existence 12-28-2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by right-track (Post 790909)
Hands up those who didn't read any of the above post...

:wave:

Arya Stark 12-28-2009 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 790923)
nah, one of my favourite songs on MB, not a song worthy of the most boring member.

Definitely.
And I read the above post. =3

NumberNineDream 12-28-2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by right-track (Post 790909)
Hands up those who didn't read any of the above post...

guilty :/

jackhammer 12-28-2009 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 790902)
Hey jackhammer,
Since you wrote that you wondered about my musical tastes, and since I *am* up for “most boring member,” I’ll quote the posts I’ve made over the last 6 months that answer your questions.

Summary: I am more interested in the process people use to make music than in critiques of the finished product, the music itself. Listening to music for me is rather like looking at a still photograph of a ballet: I much prefer watching the movement that creates the ballet. In this analogy, the movement of the ballet equals the intentions, abandon, and exuberance of the people as they think of and construct new music and especially lyrics.

Though I have preferences about the end-product, the music itself, I don’t focus on those at MB. I’d rather read what songwriters in the songwriting section are thinking as they create new songs, because I want to learn about what the process is like for them and offer feedback. I also like to try to figure out what motivated and inspired established musicians to create their pieces. For me this analysis adds to, rather than detracts from, the appreciation of their music.

Still, I have described my musical tastes several times on MB.

Back in June, 4 days after I joined MB, I described my musical tastes in a post entitled, “My Musical Tastes,” in my intro thread:



Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....#ixzz0b0UsYZ38

More on my feelings about various music genres:



Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....#ixzz0b0aEZl9R

Why I like music (posted in the “Why Do You Love Music Thread”):



Read more: http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....#ixzz0b0Z00WHY

AwwSugar...heh heh...yes, I like weird music about poles. :) That pole song probably shows a lot about my musical tastes. Did you notice I tried using counterpoint of melodies in it? And, of course, it is stuffed with rhymes.

The shortened version if you please. So the road traversed is full of potholes and pit falls that is all that matters? What if there is a portaloo at the top of the mountain? it's still full of crap and a wasted journey. Whilst I agree that background info is interesting and something I like to delve into, if the end product is poop then it doesn't matter how you get there. It's still poop.

It's equivalent to saying that you like to see how a chef makes the dish but you are not really bothered how it tastes at the end of it.

Some of the greatest songs of all time were created in five minutes flat.

FETCHER. 12-28-2009 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by right-track (Post 790909)
Hands up those who didn't read any of the above post...

:o:

NumberNineDream 12-28-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 791034)

It's equivalent to saying that you like to see how a chef makes the dish but you are not really bothered how it tastes at the end of it.

Some of the greatest songs of all time were created in five minutes flat.

Some people like the product others just like the way the product was made. I have to say I'm a part of the people that are more interested in the way the product was made.

I truly cherish trivia and the story behind the song, the movie, the painting or the book. Nothing better than knowing why Clapton wrote Layla, and I guess that's I why I do love that song, or that John Lennon wrote She said, She said after a stoned Peter Fonda kept repeating that he knows how it's like to be dead etc... etc...

And that doesn't exclude my own work. I prefer working on something than finishing it. Cause, for me, finishing something will just mean the end of what I'm doing, and won't give me a certain kind of accomplishment. It's just a taste, just like any other thing in life.

jackhammer 12-28-2009 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 791049)
Some people like the product others just like the way the product was made. I have to say I'm a part of the people that are more interested in the way the product was made.

I truly cherish trivia and the story behind the song, the movie, the painting or the book. Nothing better than knowing why Clapton wrote Layla, and I guess that's I why I do love that song, or that John Lennon wrote She said, She said after a stoned Peter Fonda kept repeating that he knows how it's like to be dead etc... etc...

And that doesn't exclude my own work. I prefer working on something than finishing it. Cause, for me, finishing something will just mean the end of what I'm doing, and won't give me a certain kind of accomplishment. It's just a taste, just like any other thing in life.

I appreciate the making of fully but if the song was bad at the end of it, then that effect would diminish.

I am digressing but I love making of docs of films on DVD's but if the film was bad then I wouldn't watch the making of in the first place.

The end product is what is presented to me and it has to appeal to me for me to reach back and enjoy it's inception.

right-track 12-28-2009 05:37 PM

OK, who merged 'The Inane Rant Thread' with this one?

NumberNineDream 12-28-2009 05:40 PM

Weirdly enough I enjoy watching the making of Spielberg's movies more than watching them. I have watched the making of the saga of Indiana Jones 3 times, and didn't even watch all the movies. Same with E.T and Jaws. Well, I did watch E.T, but watching the making of beforehand really made me love it. The making got stuck deeper in my mind anyway.

All I'm saying, there are types of people, that doesn't mean the other type writes a lot tho.

right-track 12-28-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberNineDream (Post 791072)
Weirdly enough I enjoy watching the making of Spielberg's movies more than watching them. I have watched the making of the saga of Indiana Jones 3 times, and didn't even watch all the movies. Same with E.T and Jaws. Well, I did watch E.T, but watching the making of beforehand really made me love it. The making got stuck deeper in my mind anyway.

All I'm saying, there are types of people, that doesn't mean the other type writes a lot tho.

*Activates mod CP.

NumberNineDream 12-28-2009 06:27 PM

^ For what purpose exactly?

right-track 12-28-2009 06:29 PM

Didn't this thread used to be the Musicbanter 2009 Awards - Voting Round thread?

NumberNineDream 12-28-2009 06:31 PM

We're just trying to prove ourselves lol.

VEGANGELICA 12-28-2009 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 791034)
The shortened version if you please. So the road traversed is full of potholes and pit falls that is all that matters? What if there is a portaloo at the top of the mountain? it's still full of crap and a wasted journey. Whilst I agree that background info is interesting and something I like to delve into, if the end product is poop then it doesn't matter how you get there. It's still poop.

It's equivalent to saying that you like to see how a chef makes the dish but you are not really bothered how it tastes at the end of it.

Some of the greatest songs of all time were created in five minutes flat.

Just like with a vote for MusicBanter awards, I find the process more interesting than the result, which does not mean that the result isn't interesting.

The road traversed as well as the final goal (the song) matter to me, but I am more interested in the road traversed. I realize art is subjective and that a portaloo at the top of a mountain may be a stinking cesspool or a marvelous achievement of human sanitation ingenuity depending on a person's perspective. I do not see art as either poop or gold, although I have preferences. For example, I generally dislike jazz.

I am not so interested in "background" information about a song as the actual process by which a person created it. Beyond what triggered the idea/emotion of the song--did she start with a fragment of the lyrics? When did the tune get involved? What instrument was layered in next? Similar to what NumberNineDream said about E.T. and her own work.

Neapolitan 12-28-2009 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 790902)

Summary: I am more interested in the process people use to make music than in critiques of the finished product, the music itself. Listening to music for me is rather like looking at a still photograph of a ballet: I much prefer watching the movement that creates the ballet. In this analogy, the movement of the ballet equals the intentions, abandon, and exuberance of the people as they think of and construct new music and especially lyrics.

You don't have to stare at the sun all day to appreciate the magnificence of a fleeting yet beautiful sunset. The photograph of a ballet is art in itself. Photography is a the perfection of the representation of life that was once done by painting. Photgraphy is just a mechanical act of painting where the movement of the paint brush is replaced by the manipulation of light through the lens, the stroke of the brush is replaced by the aperture. A photograph is a reflection of a point in time it is not greater then what it represents, yet limited as it is, it reveals some detail of life that might be overlooked. Even though the ballet is seen as superior to a still photograph of a ballet, and the performance itself more important the practice that goes into it. I think it is just as important to appreciate the practice, the performance, and the documentation of it, as all it goes into a fuller understanding each reenforces the point of veiw of the other. Hilaire Germain Edgar De Gas is famous for his paintings and drawlings and sculptures of ballerinas, he was drawn to ballet and he drew ballerinas and his drawling of ballerinas draws you into his perspective of the ballet. He captures the minute details of the behind the scenes of the ballet, if you seen one of his drawling you could almost imagine hearing one of the ballerina exasperatingly saying "fatigue!" Lynn Swann who who played for the greatest sports team in American history, the Pittsburgh Steelers, took ballet lessons along with tap etc, he said of them "They helped a great deal with body control, balance, a sense of rhythm, and timing." Who knows what would had happen if he didn't take those lessons, maybe Pittsburgh Steelers might of only have four instead of six Superbowl rings. I never been to a ballet except seeing Pyotr Illych Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite and Swan Lake on televison.

VEGANGELICA 12-29-2009 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 791180)
You don't have to stare at the sun all day to appreciate the magnificence of a fleeting yet beautiful sunset. The photograph of a ballet is art in itself. Photography is a the perfection of the representation of life that was once done by painting. Photgraphy is just a mechanical act of painting where the movement of the paint brush is replaced by the manipulation of light through the lens, the stroke of the brush is replaced by the aperture. A photograph is a reflection of a point in time it is not greater then what it represents, yet limited as it is, it reveals some detail of life that might be overlooked. Even though the ballet is seen as superior to a still photograph of a ballet, and the performance itself more important the practice that goes into it. I think it is just as important to appreciate the practice, the performance, and the documentation of it, as all it goes into a fuller understanding each reenforces the point of veiw of the other. Hilaire Germain Edgar De Gas is famous for his paintings and drawlings and sculptures of ballerinas, he was drawn to ballet and he drew ballerinas and his drawling of ballerinas draws you into his perspective of the ballet. He captures the minute details of the behind the scenes of the ballet, if you seen one of his drawling you could almost imagine hearing one of the ballerina exasperatingly saying "fatigue!" Lynn Swann who who played for the greatest sports team in American history, the Pittsburgh Steelers, took ballet lessons along with tap etc, he said of them "They helped a great deal with body control, balance, a sense of rhythm, and timing." Who knows what would had happen if he didn't take those lessons, maybe Pittsburgh Steelers might of only have four instead of six Superbowl rings. I never been to a ballet except seeing Pyotr Illych Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite and Swan Lake on televison.

Yes, I agree, Neapolitan, that photography offers insights that may not be visible when observing the reality (that was photographed) from the audience's perspective, which may have been limited.

When I interact with some artform (whether music, painting, photography, or dance), I feel the most pleasure by combining all three modes of interaction: seeing the photo/performance, learning about the process used to create the artwork, and also experiencing what it is like to create that artform myself. I try to get as many perspectives as possible. Listening to a song, the performance, is certainly mesmerizing, but more so if I know more about the composition process the person used to create it. All reveal more of the person behind the art...and it is the person who I feel is the real "artwork."

Still, I tend to enjoy trying to see the whole creative process rather than the photograph of it, because I feel the photograph misses much of reality since it is a still shot of life and life never stands still.

Similarly, voting on members is like a photograph of that member, and misses much though may capture an essence or at least one person's perspective.

Neapolitan 12-29-2009 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 791375)
Still, I tend to enjoy trying to see the whole creative process rather than the photograph of it, because I feel the photograph misses much of reality since it is a still shot of life and life never stands still.

Yes, I agree, Neapolitan, that photography offers insights that may not be visible when observing the reality (that was photographed) from the audience's perspective, which may have been limited.

Even though life never stands still the still photograph captures and reveals the little fleeting moments of life, and taken into consederation what you said about the more you about the whole process, the more you know about the subject in the photograph, the less the still photograph is that one particular instance in time that was recorded on film and developed on photographic paper. The more information you have surrounding the photo the less it is an instance not frozen in time; but more a part of time. A part of time where there is a history, before and after snap shot, and also history of how and why the picture was taken. The photograph is a documentation of history, but it's very unlike other forms of documentation which records history through a segement of time. I guess a good analogy would be point:still photograph::line segment:whatever (oral tradition, book, film) but what it lacks revealing the whole event in time it makes up for in that a still photograph or painting allows person to use her imagination to elaborate on the events that happens before and after the event - like a play whose actors talk about events that happen "off screen." The painting or photograph is meant to evoke the imagination, it not meant to be a objective experience but a subjective particiption in which the artist allows you to become an artist in veiwing his art by giving you some senario in which you fill in all the other details left out of the photograph. It also does what many people wish for that is to freeze time, to let a moment linger a little longer, to capture clearer an event that would become a vague memory dulled through the passage of time.

NSW 12-29-2009 08:26 PM

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Neapolitan 12-29-2009 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 791375)

Similarly, voting on members is like a photograph of that member, and misses much though may capture an essence or at least one person's perspective.

I would go even farther with your analogy (if you don't mind) and say that the posts are the photographs of the members; and voting on the members is like a photocopy of a photograph, where photocopy of the photograph aint too sharp because Xerox machine needs the toner catridge needs to be replaced.

GuitarBizarre 01-02-2010 09:24 AM

Raarrrrr wheres the results

TheBig3 01-02-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 793224)
Raarrrrr wheres the results

only in the mod cave.

you won most impatient poster though.

GuitarBizarre 01-02-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 793228)
only in the mod cave.

you won most impatient poster though.

impatient nothing, tore said he'd have em up today, its now 4PM.


Glad I won something though :)

FETCHER. 01-02-2010 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 793228)
only in the mod cave.

you won most impatient poster though.

I love how you all call it the mod cave. It's soo cute :o:.

TheBig3 01-02-2010 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 793230)
impatient nothing, tore said he'd have em up today, its now 4PM.


Glad I won something though :)

Its probably midnight where he lives. Its Noon here. tore, as we all know, lives in the Netherlands but is from outterspce. Your concept of time is cute to him, but he's not shackled by such restraints.

Also I heard something about the flu.

Its on the way, trust me. I've got $12 on him being in the lab running the results through some sort of excel spreadsheet formulas.

right-track 01-02-2010 10:10 AM

The Netherlands?


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