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VEGANGELICA · 07-04-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

This isn't the irrational stereotyping thread

Irrational? Oh. Perhaps I forgot another reason for having more than 2 kids: contraception failure.

But seriously, why WOULD someone have more than 2 children? Because they LIKE to have a large family? Is that a reasonable and valid, non-selfish reason, given that there are 6.5 billion people on the planet and not enough resources to go around as it is to allow everyone to live with a typical Western standard of living, even if people wanted to ensure equal purchasing power around the globe?

I was editing my last post while you were commenting, so here is part of it that you may have missed, CunningStunt: "Reasons (that having more than 2 kids in developed countries is selfish): they are choosing to do something that consumes more than their share of the world's resources, is not a choice all people could make without causing endless (and impossible) population growth, and contributes to more environmental damage than is fair."

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Sweet! We're generalizing!!!
Vegans are all lesbians!!!!

This is true.

Goblin Tears · 07-04-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Irrational? Oh. Perhaps I forgot another reason for having more than 2 kids: contraception failure.

But seriously, why WOULD someone have more than 2 children? Because they LIKE to have a large family? Is that a reasonable and valid, non-selfish reason, given that there are 6.5 billion people on the planet and not enough resources to go around as it is to allow everyone to live with a typical Western standard of living, even if people wanted to ensure equal purchasing power around the globe?

I was editing my last post while you were commenting, so here is part of it that you may have missed, CunningStunt: "Reasons (that having more than 2 kids in developed countries is selfish): they are choosing to do something that consumes more than their share of the world's resources, is not a choice all people could make without causing endless (and impossible) population growth, and contributes to more environmental damage than is fair."

This is true.

What's your source for this? The environmental damage part especially sounds fishy. Anyway, even if you halved the population of the USA, do you honestly think its governemnt would pool its left over resources into anything but its dying economy? I wonder if having three kids instead of two is really as damaging as you think. And this argument doesnt make sense if the children are adopted.

**Janszoon** · 07-04-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

People in the wealthy developed world who have more than two children are selfish, self-centered, irresponsible, greedy, and/or thoughtless.

Reasons: they are choosing to do something that consumes more than their share of the world's resources, is not a choice all people could make without causing endless (and impossible) population growth, and contributes to more environmental damage than is fair.

I think this is actually one of the few things you and I agree on, Vegangelica.

TheCunningStunt · 07-04-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Irrational? Oh. Perhaps I forgot another reason for having more than 2 kids: contraception failure.

But seriously, why WOULD someone have more than 2 children? Because they LIKE to have a large family? Is that a reasonable and valid, non-selfish reason, given that there are 6.5 billion people on the planet and not enough resources to go around as it is to allow everyone to live with a typical Western standard of living, even if people wanted to ensure equal purchasing power around the globe?

I was editing my last post while you were commenting, so here is part of it that you may have missed, CunningStunt: "Reasons (that having more than 2 kids in developed countries is selfish): they are choosing to do something that consumes more than their share of the world's resources, is not a choice all people could make without causing endless (and impossible) population growth, and contributes to more environmental damage than is fair.")

I think people have the right to choose the size of their family, I find around here the people that tend to have more kids are common. Just watch the Jeremy Kyle show, it's like Jerry Springer but for even scummier people. One guy on there had 10 kids, I don't get it but I don't judge it. If you want a big family, so be it. It's not my place to judge. Then again, it's just a topic I really don't give a fuck about, I've never weighed up the pros and cons really.

Tea Supremacist · 07-04-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Irrational? Oh. Perhaps I forgot another reason for having more than 2 kids: contraception failure.

But seriously, why WOULD someone have more than 2 children? Because they LIKE to have a large family? Is that a reasonable and valid, non-selfish reason, given that there are 6.5 billion people on the planet and not enough resources to go around as it is to allow everyone to live with a typical Western standard of living, even if people wanted to ensure equal purchasing power around the globe?

I was editing my last post while you were commenting, so here is part of it that you may have missed, CunningStunt: "Reasons (that having more than 2 kids in developed countries is selfish): they are choosing to do something that consumes more than their share of the world's resources, is not a choice all people could make without causing endless (and impossible) population growth, and contributes to more environmental damage than is fair."

This is true.

Ouch! That's a big generalisation! To some extent I can see your point. But on the other hand, my sister and her husband have 4 children through choice and live off of the veg in their garden, the eggs from their chickens and ducks and all their bread, pasta etc is all homemade - it works out a lot cheaper to live like this (for them) and I think it's pretty good for the kids too. Don't get me wrong, they do a basic supermarket shop, buy decent clothes for the kids and all that jazz but their lifestyle coupled with the amount of children they have isn't what I'd see as being selfish. Added to that is the statistics showing more women (albeit not a fast increase, but an increase nonetheless) foregoing families in favour of careers or through choice. I'd say the decision (or stupidity) to have a family that you can't provide for and ending up willingly sponging off of the system for years is selfish.

mr dave · 07-04-2010, 11:02 AM

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I'd say the decision (or stupidity) to have a family that you can't provide for and ending up willingly sponging off of the system for years is selfish.

we've always just called 'those' families welfare baby farms.

~~James~~ · 07-04-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I think people have the right to choose the size of their family, I find around here the people that tend to have more kids are common. Just watch the Jeremy Kyle show, it's like Jerry Springer but for even scummier people. One guy on there had 10 kids, I don't get it but I don't judge it. If you want a big family, so be it. It's not my place to judge. Then again, it's just a topic I really don't give a fuck about, I've never weighed up the pros and cons really.

I saw that man with 10 kids as an inspiration, he had 10 kids and he cared for them all and loved them all.

TheCunningStunt · 07-04-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by James

I saw that man with 10 kids as an inspiration, he had 10 kids and he cared for them all and loved them all.

There's been people on with 7 or 8 kids scattered across the country though, and Jeremy says "YOU SHOULDA PUT SOMETHING ON THE END OF IT!"

Jeremy Kyle is such a hypocritical cunt. Can't stand that man.

~~James~~ · 07-04-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

There's been people on with 7 or 8 kids scattered across the country though, and Jeremy says "YOU SHOULDA PUT SOMETHING ON THE END OF IT!"

Jeremy Kyle is such a hypocritical cunt. Can't stand that man.

I like him. He gets a bad rep that he doesn't deserve.

TheCunningStunt · 07-04-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by James

I like him. He gets a bad rep that he doesn't deserve.

Jeremy Kyle having an affair on his wife with a 16 year old and then going on his show preaching to people about right and wrong makes him a tremendous cunt.