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midnight rain 01-09-2012 02:33 PM

Anyone been pulled over for no reason before?
 
Just wondering cause this happened to me and I thought it was complete bull****. The guy pulled me over, bitched at me for not pulling over quicker, and then started interrogating me, asking me questions like if I had knives, guns, or drugs on me. When I answered no, he started asking if I was sure and what's in the glove compartment and my bag, etc. etc. Bear in mind that I have never been arrested or even cited or anything. Clean as a whistle record. He sees this when he scans my license and stuff, yet calls for backup AND does a thorough search of me and my car.

This ****ing normal? Next time I'm making sure they don't search me without probable cause.

ThePhanastasio 01-09-2012 02:42 PM

That's really lame, but I have seen things like this happen around where I live before - I think a lot of the time they're pulling people over because their cars match descriptions of wanted people.

One time, it was around midnight and my friends and I were headed to the park to walk, and we got blue lights. We were confused, because we'd not been speeding, our registration was up to date, we were driving in the county the car was registered to, and everything.

The state trooper walked over to the car, peered in, shone his flashlight in everyone's faces, and asked where we were headed. We completely honestly answered that we were going to the park to walk around.

He then asked my friend who was driving to step out of the vehicle, and another state trooper pulled up.

One of the troopers interrogated my friend behind the car, patted him down, and all of that good stuff, while the first guy leaned into the window and asked us for proof that we were over 18 and all of that good stuff. We handed him our IDs, he looked at them, then handed them back.

Then, he walked behind the car with the other trooper.

After ten minutes, they let my buddy back into the car - and they never even gave us a reason for pulling us over.

He said that they just patted him down and asked him where he was coming from, where he'd been, if he owned his car, and all of that. They never even checked his insurance or registration.

Apparently, though, there was a wanted fugitive who'd last been seen in a car matching that description, who was also roughly the same height and hair color of my friend. We found that out the next day from a friend of ours who works with the city police department. They just let us go, but it was really weird.

Janszoon 01-09-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1141378)
Just wondering cause this happened to me and I thought it was complete bull****. The guy pulled me over, bitched at me for not pulling over quicker, and then started interrogating me, asking me questions like if I had knives, guns, or drugs on me. When I answered no, he started asking if I was sure and what's in the glove compartment and my bag, etc. etc. Bear in mind that I have never been arrested or even cited or anything. Clean as a whistle record. He sees this when he scans my license and stuff, yet calls for backup AND does a thorough search of me and my car.

This ****ing normal? Next time I'm making sure they don't search me without probable cause.

I hear you man. Cops like harassing young guys. When I was 17 some ass pulled me over for "an irregular lane change", whatever the hell that means, and did the exact same thing to me that you're describing. Grilled me about weapons and drugs for no reason, searched my car, gave me a super hard time about the set of tools that I had in the trunk (normal car repair stuff), then eventually just let me go once his little power trip was satisfied. I actually had similar encounters with cops on a couple of occasions. It's total bullshit but the good news is they seem to stop harassing you once you get above, say, your mid-20s.

midnight rain 01-09-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio (Post 1141382)
That's really lame, but I have seen things like this happen around where I live before - I think a lot of the time they're pulling people over because their cars match descriptions of wanted people.

One time, it was around midnight and my friends and I were headed to the park to walk, and we got blue lights. We were confused, because we'd not been speeding, our registration was up to date, we were driving in the county the car was registered to, and everything.

The state trooper walked over to the car, peered in, shone his flashlight in everyone's faces, and asked where we were headed. We completely honestly answered that we were going to the park to walk around.

He then asked my friend who was driving to step out of the vehicle, and another state trooper pulled up.

One of the troopers interrogated my friend behind the car, patted him down, and all of that good stuff, while the first guy leaned into the window and asked us for proof that we were over 18 and all of that good stuff. We handed him our IDs, he looked at them, then handed them back.

Then, he walked behind the car with the other trooper.

After ten minutes, they let my buddy back into the car - and they never even gave us a reason for pulling us over.

He said that they just patted him down and asked him where he was coming from, where he'd been, if he owned his car, and all of that. They never even checked his insurance or registration.

Apparently, though, there was a wanted fugitive who'd last been seen in a car matching that description, who was also roughly the same height and hair color of my friend. They just let us go, but it was really weird.

That was actually the first thought that ran through my head about having the same vehicle. But where I come from is pretty low crime, most likely they were trying to meet their quota.

I was just glad I didn't drive my other car today, if ya namean. :pimp:

midnight rain 01-09-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1141383)
I hear you man. Cops like harassing young guys. When I was 17 some ass pulled me over for "an irregular lane change", whatever the hell that means, and did the exact same thing to me that you're describing. Grilled me about weapons and drugs for no reason, searched my car, gave me a super hard time about the set of tools that I had in the trunk (normal car repair stuff), then eventually just let me go once his little power trip was satisfied. I actually had similar encounters with cops on a couple of occasions. It's total bullshit but the good news is they seem to stop harassing you once you get above, say, your mid-20s.

Yeah his eventual reason (he claims) for puling me over (after doing all the searching and questioning and stuff) was that I don't have a front license plate. Which I would've totally understood, if not for all the other crap he grilled me about. Not to mention he was driving behind me for a good bit (an intersection or two) before he flashed his lights, so I have no idea how he'd see that I didn't have a front license plate. Definitely a power trip, the cop that came for 'backup' was much cooler about it.

ThePhanastasio 01-09-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1141385)
That was actually the first thought that ran through my head about having the same vehicle. But where I come from is pretty low crime, most likely they were trying to meet their quota.

I was just glad I didn't drive my other car today, if ya namean. :pimp:

Haha!

But I don't live in a high crime area, either. It's a city of about 22,000 people, and the median age is the upper-thirties.

Freebase Dali 01-09-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1141378)
Just wondering cause this happened to me and I thought it was complete bull****. The guy pulled me over, bitched at me for not pulling over quicker, and then started interrogating me, asking me questions like if I had knives, guns, or drugs on me. When I answered no, he started asking if I was sure and what's in the glove compartment and my bag, etc. etc. Bear in mind that I have never been arrested or even cited or anything. Clean as a whistle record. He sees this when he scans my license and stuff, yet calls for backup AND does a thorough search of me and my car.

This ****ing normal? Next time I'm making sure they don't search me without probable cause.

Well, your state has a pretty explicit "stop & identify" law in which you're required to give identifying information and such, but that's predicated on there being a valid reason for you being stopped or detained.
In your case, since there was none, you probably didn't legally have to answer any questions and just could have asked if there was a reason for you being stopped and, if not, were you free to go.

Most people probably don't want to test things like that and end up consenting to largely unfounded stops and interrogations. They'll even consent to searches, like you did, because that option probably seems more appealing than going head to head with a pissed off cop.
But yea, at the very least, you could have just said no to the search. If there wasn't any probable cause, he damn well would not have been able to obtain a warrent and you'd have been on your way.

One trick they like to use is, when you decline a search, they call for backup with a K-9 unit and let the dog out to sniff around the vehicle, which doesn't classify as a search. When the dog gets interested in something in the vehicle, they now have probable cause to search it for drugs (and anything else they find during the process).
But still, being temporarily detained to the point where you're sitting there long enough for a backup unit to arrive, having had to show your identification and answer questions, you had to have been detained based on some infraction.
The fact that there wasn't one, or that the officer didn't notify you of one, doesn't mean he was breaking any laws...

It just means you basically sat there out of the kindness of your heart because you're interested in chatting with police and having them rummage through your belongings. Had you wanted to leave, you probably could have. :)


Edit:
Just saw your response about the front license plate. If that's a valid state thing where you are, then sure, he had reason to pull you over. (although he probably should have stated that reason first, or you should have asked, but it was obviously a cover for the fact that he, in fact, does not have X-ray vision) Not for the search though. That was all you, buddy. ;)

s_k 01-09-2012 06:03 PM

I've once been pulled over to check if my paperwork was in order.
I don't mind them doing this, but they can at least have the decency to be friendly and tell me what's going on.
All they said was 'papers!' and 'watch the motorbike when you drive off, will ya?'.
I just had to answer "you shouldn't have put it behind my car in the first place then, should ya?".
Asses.
I ****ing hate cops.

Astronomer 01-09-2012 11:37 PM

I've been pulled over for random license/breath tests but I've never been interrogated like that before for no reason. The cops here are very friendly and reasonable, though.

FETCHER. 01-10-2012 04:46 AM

I've been pulled over 3 times in the past year and a bit. First time I barely remember, didn't need to get out the car or anything.

Second time I was delivering 21st birthday party invitations for my mate, to all my invited friends houses. I parked outside the house (which everyone does) and started to head in and the police came and questioned **** out of me. Asking where I was going why I was out so late (it was like 11pm) and pointless **** like that. I had the girl with me whose party we were delivering invitations for, when I said the car was my mums and I'd borrowed it they asked if she was my mum. Hilarious. Still laugh when I think back.

Third time I had about a dimebag of my half quarter left and they took it away from me :'(. They were sound though, said they were going to fine my cousin and he'd have a criminal record but nothing has come through so they must've been trying to scare us. Hopefully anyway. Could be doing with that dime bag right about now. :( haha.

Howard the Duck 01-10-2012 07:27 AM

the cops in all your respective countries are pretty fascistic

i only got pulled over for no fault of my own (without any apparent reason) was when my idiot friend yelled some challenges to them at a roadblock

usually i do get pulled over for a legitimate reason, - illegal u-turns, running a red light, speeding - but ahem! they let me go after some "negotiations"

Burning Down 01-10-2012 09:07 AM

This actually happened to me yesterday. I was driving home, and a cop pulls me over. So I get off the road, no problem there. Then he comes to the window and says to me "that's a pretty nice car for a young lady like yourself". I just nodded but I was thinking "oh he probably thinks I stole it". I handed him my license, registration, and insurance. He tells me I was pulled over because my car "swerved in the lane." What the ****?? He said I moved out of the centre of the lane slightly. I don't even see how that is grounds for pulling somebody over. He must have some kind of quota to meet. Cops here are so power-hungry too. Ugh.

My boyfriend gets pulled over all the time. He's a good driver, but I think cops just like stopping men who are between the ages of 16 and 25, it seems.

duga 01-10-2012 09:33 AM

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Yeah, that sounds like something that happened to me. At the time, I had Tennessee plates while living in Indiana...that alone gives a lot of cops a reason to pull you over. He stood by his car and asked me to walk over to it. I did, and he goes, "Oh, okay...I guess you aren't drunk." It was 2pm. I like drinking as much as anyone, but I'd say it's pretty rare that I would be drunk at 2pm. Then he said some stupid **** like "I pulled you over because you were left of center." Ok....

I've learned since not to give cops anything at all. I was driving with a friend once and she got pulled over. We all reeked of weed because...well...we had all been smoking up a storm earlier. She also had about 32oz and a box full of pipes that she was taking home. Needless to say, she was screwed but I knew if I kept my mouth shut I would be alright. She did the right thing and admitted it was all hers, but the cops kept trying to get my brother and I to admit we had smoked. I just kept staring at him and said nothing but "no". I could see the change in the cop's attitude once he saw that I had an inkling of knowledge about the law. He gave up on me and tried after my brother. He was about to piss himself, so I just kept hoping he wouldn't say anything either. Luckily we got out of that.

midnight rain 01-10-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1141658)
^

Yeah, that sounds like something that happened to me. At the time, I had Tennessee plates while living in Indiana...that alone gives a lot of cops a reason to pull you over. He stood by his car and asked me to walk over to it. I did, and he goes, "Oh, okay...I guess you aren't drunk." It was 2pm. I like drinking as much as anyone, but I'd say it's pretty rare that I would be drunk at 2pm. Then he said some stupid **** like "I pulled you over because you were left of center." Ok....

I've learned since not to give cops anything at all. I was driving with a friend once and she got pulled over. We all reeked of weed because...well...we had all been smoking up a storm earlier. She also had about 32oz and a box full of pipes that she was taking home. Needless to say, she was screwed but I knew if I kept my mouth shut I would be alright. She did the right thing and admitted it was all hers, but the cops kept trying to get my brother and I to admit we had smoked. I just kept staring at him and said nothing but "no". I could see the change in the cop's attitude once he saw that I had an inkling of knowledge about the law. He gave up on me and tried after my brother. He was about to piss himself, so I just kept hoping he wouldn't say anything either. Luckily we got out of that.

Yeah this is the lesson I've learned, the guy who came for backup started talking with me, like "So you friends and you been smoking up in your car lately?" and stuff. I give him an "is that a joke?" face and he says something like hey I'm just making small talk. So I simply tell him I'm not gonna answer that question. Whether he would've cared or not, it isn't worth the risk.

FETCHER. 01-11-2012 08:06 AM

I'd take the blame if someone had green on them and they were driving. Wouldn't want to jepordise a mates licence.

hip hop bunny hop 01-11-2012 11:58 AM

The more I read this thread, the more I'm convinced the cops weren't being jerks. You drive around without front license plate, giving the cop cause to pull you over. The cop comes to the car which you admit to smoking weed in, meaning there would be residual odor if this occurs with any regularity.

Don't want to be harassed by the police? Don't break the law.

midnight rain 01-11-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1141946)
The more I read this thread, the more I'm convinced the cops weren't being jerks. You drive around without front license plate, giving the cop cause to pull you over. The cop comes to the car which you admit to smoking weed in, meaning there would be residual odor if this occurs with any regularity.

Don't want to be harassed by the police? Don't break the law.

I didn't admit to anything and I don't ever smoke weed in that car, so wrong on both counts. He didn't pull me over for the front license plate, as he didn't mention it until after doing a thorough search of my car, including the front and back.

Authority doesn't mean "always right", but by all means continue playing devils advocate if it's what gets you off.

FETCHER. 01-11-2012 12:04 PM

Aye, cos a was pure breaking the law delivering party invitations. Tit.

someonecompletelyrandom 01-11-2012 03:17 PM

I've been detained for several hours for "tresspassing" on private property that we were allowed to be on (we talked to the owner and got permission) during a photoshoot. We were using caution tape (legal to own) and wrapping it around some trees in the woods for the backdrop. Cop came and asked us questions for half an hour, called back up and 3 more arrived. At which point they accused us of using drugs (we weren't) and asked us where "the couch" was (we had no idea what they were talking about.) One of us had their hands in their pockets and instead of asking him to remove them one of the ballsy little pricks nearly pulled his firearm on him. Took several hours to get cleared to go.

blastingas10 01-11-2012 03:22 PM

When they ask to search your car, you have the right to refuse.

It happened to me once. Wasn't speeding at all, wasn't missing a license plate or a registration or inspection sticker. He had absolutely no reason to pull me over. He was black, I think he just saw a long haired white boy and thought: "I bet he has some pot." As soon as he passed me he made a huge U-turn and hauled ass and got right up behind me. Followed me for a little. Ended up pulling me over and ticketing me for not signaling a hundred feet before a stop sign. I'm positive I did. I signaled to turn left onto the street, and as soon as I turned left I signaled to turn right at the stop sign. Complete bull**** but there was nothing I could do.

hip hop bunny hop 01-11-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1141951)
I didn't admit to anything and I don't ever smoke weed in that car, so wrong on both counts. He didn't pull me over for the front license plate, as he didn't mention it until after doing a thorough search of my car, including the front and back.

Authority doesn't mean "always right", but by all means continue playing devils advocate if it's what gets you off.


Eh? You deduced he didn't pull you over for the front license plate because of when he brought it up? Did you bother asking why you were pulled over before consenting to being searched?

Regarding the weed thing;

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1141385)
I was just glad I didn't drive my other car today, if ya namean. :pimp:

....this led me to believe you smoked in the car in question.

edit: and for clarification, no, I'm not playing devils advocate - I got my license when I was 14 (hurrah, South Dakota!), and I've never been pulled over for no reason, nor have I had any negative encounters with police for that matter.

Freebase Dali 01-11-2012 04:45 PM

I was under the assumption that the cop didn't see the missing front license plate because he had been behind Tuna, not in front of him at any point.
Tuna, was the cop parked off to the side as you passed, then did he pull out to follow you? Or was he never in a position to see your front plate?

midnight rain 01-11-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1141997)
I was under the assumption that the cop didn't see the missing front license plate because he had been behind Tuna, not in front of him at any point.
Tuna, was the cop parked off to the side as you passed, then did he pull out to follow you? Or was he never in a position to see your front plate?

As far as I know he was behind me. What happened was I was approaching an intersection looked in my rear view mirror and saw him behind me. We stopped at the red light and then after it turned green and maybe 500 feet past the intersection he flashed his lights.

And hiphopbunny, as I said I never smoke in that car so it wasn't about the smell


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