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Pet_Sounds 09-03-2014 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1484971)
or it makes him a psychic felon that foresees the restoration of the right to vote for felons in four years. don't jump to conclusions.
Of course! Should have figured that right off the bat.

FishlessExistence 09-03-2014 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1484962)
socialism is like a dirty word in this country. it is strange because most normal americans i've met favor the few socialist vestiges we have leftover from the fdr era - medicare, medicaid, social security. but ideologically they have been trained to resist any sign of encroaching socialism.
It's a buzzword. I have the following exchange with an embarrassing number of people:

"Obama is running this country into the ground."

"Why do you say that?"

"Because he's a damn socialist!"

"Do you actually know what socialism is?"

Que some vague attempt at an explanation. I've even heard people say it's what Muslims in the Middle East practice. Read a god damned pamphlet sometime, man.

Josef K 09-04-2014 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1484962)
socialism is like a dirty word in this country. it is strange because most normal americans i've met favor the few socialist vestiges we have leftover from the fdr era - medicare, medicaid, social security. but ideologically they have been trained to resist any sign of encroaching socialism.
I mean, yeah, but I'd like to do away with privately-held means of production.
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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1484968)
Which makes you fourteen?
Yep.

DwnWthVwls 09-04-2014 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FishlessExistence (Post 1484988)
It's a buzzword. I have the following exchange with an embarrassing number of people:

"Obama is running this country into the ground."

"Why do you say that?"

"Because he's a damn socialist!"

"Do you actually know what socialism is?"

Que some vague attempt at an explanation. I've even heard people say it's what Muslims in the Middle East practice. Read a god damned pamphlet sometime, man.
QFT. :thumb:

These are the same idiots who have a say in the future of this country. How do you even justify uneducated people having the right to vote?

John Wilkes Booth 09-04-2014 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1485062)
I mean, yeah, but I'd like to do away with privately-held means of production.
how?

Josef K 09-04-2014 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1485198)
how?
I'll be honest and say that I haven't thought too hard about how to transition to this, but I'd like democratically-operated worker-run coops to replace the current system.

Josef K 09-04-2014 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1485092)
These are the same idiots who have a say in the future of this country. How do you even justify uneducated people having the right to vote?
Because people should have a say in their government, even if they disagree with you and even if you think they're stupid?

FishlessExistence 09-04-2014 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1485239)
Because people should have a say in their government, even if they disagree with you and even if you think they're stupid?
Personally I think education is the best way to approach this.

Josef K 09-04-2014 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FishlessExistence (Post 1485247)
Personally I think education is the best way to approach this.
I mean sure, but no matter how great our education system is we shouldn't be denying the vote to people because they can't give a satidfactory definition of socialism.

John Wilkes Booth 09-04-2014 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1485238)
I'll be honest and say that I haven't thought too hard about how to transition to this,
why not?
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but I'd like democratically-operated worker-run coops to replace the current system.
with or without a state backing the system up?
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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1485239)
Because people should have a say in their government,
why?


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