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The Batlord · 12-05-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

Batlord, I did not know you possessed such wisdom. This is a compliment, not a scathing critique.

Keep it in your pants, Ped.

Blank. · 12-05-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Exactly. Their interpersonal dynamic is/has become clearly dysfunctional and has only led to a toxic situation. Pursuing that dynamic, even in a non-romantic context, is not going to lead to anything different. Besides that, she's a heroin addict. You can't save an addict from themselves and any compassion you give will not provide any real, tangible help for her and certainly none that would counteract the harm that continuing to associate with her would.

Compassion for an ex-lover who's life is in shambles is perfectly understandable and natural, but helping a wounded tiger can easily end up with you mauled to death.

Not true. Most addicts are disenfranchised individuals who feel disconnected from society. They use the drugs as an escape. By simply lending a little compassion can help.

Lucem Ferre · 12-05-2016, 04:04 PM

I wasn't meaning to be dick. It's just that Ki has been a whiny pussy, we all have **** we are going through, he's constantly whining. So no, having emotions doesn't make you the pussy. It's how you portray them.

Edit: I mean that in the nicest way possible. We all have moments when we are whiny pussies.

**Exo** · 12-05-2016, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Not true. Most addicts are disenfranchised individuals who feel disconnected from society. They use the drugs as an escape. By simply lending a little compassion can help.

False. You may know some unique cases but every single person I know who has used heroin has taken advantage of the kindness of others and I've know a lot of heroin users.

**Exo** · 12-05-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I wasn't meaning to be dick. It's just that Ki has been a whiny pussy, we all have **** we are going through, he's constantly whining. So no, having emotions doesn't make you the pussy. It's how you portray them.

You're still being a dick.

Paedantic Basterd · 12-05-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I wasn't meaning to be dick. It's just that Ki has been a whiny pussy, we all have **** we are going through, he's constantly whining. So no, having emotions doesn't make you the pussy. It's how you portray them.

God forbid he deals with things differently than you do.

Blank. · 12-05-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo

False. You may know some unique cases but every single person I know who has used heroin has taken advantage of the kindness of others and I've know a lot of heroin users.

Anecdotal. When most people try to help addicts they actually push them further away. People commonly tell them how they're screwing up their lives. That's not what they need to hear. Addicts need to hear that they have someone they can talk to and confide in.

The Batlord · 12-05-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Not true. Most addicts are disenfranchised individuals who feel disconnected from society. They use the drugs as an escape. By simply lending a little compassion can help.

I've been good friends with an addict. He was a cluster**** of a human being, and if being friends with him taught me something it's that it honestly normalizes their situation so that being a drug addict no longer feels so terrible, cause hey, this guy is sticking by me. Or at least that's how I perceived it.

And to be perfectly honest I think compassion for an addict who isn't seeking out help on their own might very well have the opposite effect, as now that you're making explicit to them that their behavior is NOT normal, and in fact is pitiable, it will only widen the gulf between them and non-addict society. If you were having money troubles and I just walked up to you and handed you a hundred dollars unsolicited for you to pay your rent, would it make you feel better or worse?

**Exo** · 12-05-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Anecdotal. When most people try to help addicts they actually push them further away. People commonly tell them how they're screwing up their lives. That's not what they need to hear. Addicts need to hear that they have someone they can talk to and confide in.

Lol. Dude. I'm sorry. But you have no idea what you're talking about. Take solace that you don't. I'd love to be ignorant in this subject.

Blank. · 12-05-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I've been good friends with an addict. He was a cluster**** of a human being, and if being friends with him taught me something it's that it honestly normalizes their situation so that being a drug addict no longer feels so terrible, cause hey, this guy is sticking by me. Or at least that's how I perceived it.

And to be perfectly honest I think compassion for an addict who isn't seeking out help on their own might very well have the opposite effect, as now that you're making explicit to them that their behavior is NOT normal, and in fact is pitiable, it will only widen the gulf between them and non-addict society. If you were having money troubles and I just walked up to you and handed you a hundred dollars unsolicited for you to pay your rent, would it make you feel better or worse?

You are right about doing that to someone who hasn't realized they have a problem. But most addicts can't be helped til they have that realization.