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Anteater 06-20-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2123541)
Oh for the love of **** he knows what he's doing and now he's just dissembling to show that snowflakes can't handle a logical discussion with someone who's a Holocaust denier.

See, I go to the trouble of providing clarity over pages of content and you just write it off cause your mad. This is why we can't have nice things.

Marie Monday 06-20-2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2123541)
Oh for the love of **** he knows what he's doing and now he's just dissembling to show that snowflakes can't handle a logical discussion with someone who's a Holocaust denier.

Again, slippery slope. Calling him a holocaust denier is unfair.
But about what you say, I admit I was trying to avoid discussing this because I'm getting tired but here we go:
Bat, if you suspect Ant is baiting you, then don't take the bait
Ant, looking at the repeated history of these discussions I do find it hard to believe that you don't know were things are going and that there's not an element of trolling to it, and the discussion itself sounded more trollish than the recap you gave. But I realise that that might just be the same thing as you finding it hard to believe that people get offended.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2123542)

How are the people in Hogwarts so incompetent that 3 disorganized children keep discovering secrets that even the 'wisest' wizards/witches haven't found in generations just through the slightest bit of curiosity driven effort?

Plus, Dumbledore didn't have any objections to Slytherins using a supremacist slur while hate speech was being written on the walls threatening to kill the muggle born children?

This school is a **** hole.

And why wasn't Peeves in any of the goddamn movies when he's such an integral part to the story?

lmao I approve this change of topic. Harry Potter is full of plot holes and random unrealistic ****. Still love it though

Lucem Ferre 06-20-2020 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2123543)
See, I go to the trouble of providing clarity over pages of content and you just write it off cause your mad. This is why we can't have nice things.

OMG who cares, let it go.

It's time to bitch about Harry Potter.

Who else thinks Hagrid leaves **** stains on the toilet seat?

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie (Post 2123544)
lmao I approve this change of topic. Harry Potter is full of plot holes and random unrealistic ****. Still love it though

Yes, great series but far far more dumb than I remembered it.

I find it weird that they have a mind reading hat that put all of the bigots into a group together. I also find it weird that nobody in that school has a CD player or Boombox or sumn. The one kid has a soccer poster but nobody in there walking around with a slayer shirt or something. I've heard wizard music. It sucks and it's corny. How has muggle music not taken over their culture?

Anteater 06-20-2020 04:59 PM

Your point about Peeves actually makes me realize that I don't think he even showed up past the 4th book or movie. Weird.

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie (Post 2123544)
Ant, looking at the repeated history of these discussions I do find it hard to believe that you don't know were things are going and that there's not an element of trolling to it, and the discussion itself sounded more trollish than the recap you gave. But I realise that that might just be the same thing as you finding it hard to believe that people get offended.

I like Charles and everyone else but I don't like being personally attacked and told I don't have any sense of morals just because I'm speculative by nature. I do a lot of world building and things for my writing (so I actually enjoy history and also speculative fiction) on the side so I don't find discussions like that as polarizing.

Marie Monday 06-20-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2123546)
I like Charles and everyone else but I don't like being personally attacked and told I don't have any sense of morals just because I'm speculative by nature. I do a lot of world building and things for my writing (so I actually enjoy history and also speculative fiction) on the side so I don't find discussions like that as polarizing.

Oh my god dude we are all speculative by nature and about 50% of us write and build worlds on the side, get off your high horse.
I understand the bit about personal attacks though

WWWP 06-20-2020 05:10 PM

Looks like I left the conversation at the right time.

Don't engage with brick walls folks, it's bad for your blood pressure.

Lucem Ferre 06-20-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2123546)
Your point about Peeves actually makes me realize that I don't think he even showed up past the 4th book or movie. Weird.

I've only reread the first two so far so I can't recall him in later books but he wasn't in any of the movies at all.

They also left out Hermoine's elf liberation movement.

And I think they left out Percy too. And the time Harry caught Snape masturbating.

The Batlord 06-20-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie (Post 2123544)
Again, slippery slope. Calling him a holocaust denier is unfair.

It is not. He is not trying to deny that any holocaust ever occurred because that would be absurd. What he is doing is trying to mitigate responsibility for a holocaust so that the status quo is not implicated. If he were trying to do this with the actual Holocaust he would already be banned for life but we never lost a world war so it isn't as touchy a subject.

I understand that you probably don't get this as a European but as an American this kind of thing is very real and insidious to this day and has been used to shelve our responsibility for the Native American genocide for our entire history. What Ant is doing is not innocent or honest.

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But about what you say, I admit I was trying to avoid discussing this because I'm getting tired but here we go:
Bat, if you suspect Ant is baiting you, then don't take the bait
Would you say this if he were denying the actual Holocaust? Just don't take the bait and let the neo-Nazi spread filth for the sake of keeping discussion friendly?

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Ant, looking at the repeated history of these discussions I do find it hard to believe that you don't know were things are going and that there's not an element of trolling to it, and the discussion itself sounded more trollish than the recap you gave. But I realise that that might just be the same thing as you finding it hard to believe that people get offended.
Again, he knows what he's doing. He's dancing around hate speech. Imagine if there were an actual Native American member of the board. Shut him down.

Lucem Ferre 06-20-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2123550)
Looks like I left the conversation at the right time.

Don't engage with brick walls folks, it's bad for your blood pressure.

Unless you know the right bricks to tap. Then you go to the magically hidden ally way with the only wand shop in the entire world.

Luckily no muggle has ever entered that small bar for some reason.

OccultHawk 06-20-2020 05:18 PM

Here’s the European version of the Aztec argument: If Hitler hadn’t killed those Jews Stalin would have.


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