He didn't kill anyone though. He was just there. I'm not an R2 apologist, but this is turning into a witchhunt! :yikes:

That's mechanist. Just cos he looked like a bin....

Hitler never killed anyone either. Neither did Charlie Manson.

I never thought about how many people must have been on the Death Star before. It was after all supposed to be the size of a small moon or something. We only ever see the military crew, but just imagine the size of the cleaning and catering staff alone!

R2-D2 was instrumental in taking down the Death Star. He was the mole who was in possession of the stolen data tapes, and he was Luke's co-pilot droid when the Death Star was attacked. R2 was the Bonnie to Luke's Clyde.

What about that poor orchestra??? :yikes:
"This'll be a sweet gig, lads. Governor Tarkin says if he's impressed he'll recommend us to all his Empire friends - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT???!!!! :yikes:

If you're gigging at a secluded place called the Death Star, you can't say there weren't any omens telling you it might be a bad idea.

But it's the best place to meet Super Troopers.

I wish I was old enough to bitch about how much better it was before everyone and their mother decided to geek out on Star Wars.

You're a simple minded cretin. R2 provided the means to kill those people and without them those pilots would have been helpless. And he wasn't just along for the ride as a mindless robot, he was the impetus for the entire movie and went to ridiculous lengths to complete his mission. Considering that he was a slow, tri-wheeled droid I think the amount of effort he put into killing all of those people on the Death Star outpaced anyone else in that movie.

No you don't.
As opposed to a cretin with a really complex mind?
Are you talking about the plans? That was Leia, so if that's your point then she's the mass-murderer. Still, they did blow up her planet. Hey, was that the biggest blow job in all history or what? :laughing:

You had a good sixteen year gap between Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace. Oh how they were the halcyon days for Frownland.

You’d have to have been born before the first one came out. People went ape**** for it the day it was released and haven’t calmed down since.

I hate my country's culture.

It is a ****ing ****hole.

Thing is, R2 was (wait for it) a robot and he was (wait for it again) programmed to do everything he did. So there was no personal emotion, decision or action attached to anything he did. He and C3P0 were merely following their programming. They were tools (well, 3P0 was anyway): would you call Fat Man and Little Boy mass murderers, or should the blame go to Oppenheimer and Truman et al?

#DownWithStarWarsHaters

AI has no free will but neither does organic life. You have to ignore that.

I like Star Wars as much as any other shiny action flick but goddamn do you dumb ****s need to hop off of the franchise's dick.

Too many Ewoks.

That's idiotic. The two droids were clearly meant to have agency of their own. C3P0 less so, but R2D2 was clearly meant to be a completely conscious character with a personality. If you couldn't get that then you just don't understand human beings and how they operate. You're just an autistic monster who shouldn't be trusted with the emotional development of a goldfish. It wasn't even subtle. C3P0 was hinted at not being entirely not a robot, but R2D2 was completely obviously the legal definition of a person.

You could only take maybe 30 photos before changing film and you had to wait a week to see if they turned out.

I hate people who think they’re good at taking pictures and don’t use film though.

Classist as ****.

#Deep
Nah, I like the first three movies but I wouldn't really class myself as a major fanboy. I keep that **** for Star Trek.
One Ewok is too many.
Clearly trolling, but anyway...

You're the idiot. You've fallen into the trap of thinking of R2 as a person, when he clearly was not. He was programmed, first by Leia to find Kenobi, then either by him or else maybe as a backup program to go to the DS with him. After that, maybe Luke reprogrammed him or the Alliance did, but it was always a program he was following. He had no will of his own. Just because he beeped and made funny noises and looked cute didn't make him a person. You can't hold a machine responsible for the lives it's used to take, unless you want to accuse the Death Star itself of being a murderer?
36 on a roll I believe, maybe 24. Black and white or colour? And yeah, leave the roll in to get it developed, unless you were one of those clever ****s who had your own darkroom. I wasn't. And don't forget being careful to take it out without exposing the film. Oh, and rolling the film back before you opened the back of the camera, too.
I was not a good photographer. I tried, I was okay but nothing special.

Me neither.

You're an idiot. George Lucas has never been some hard sci-fi mastermind. He made what seemed good and pleasant and likeable, and a robot with a personality was likeable. That's R2. That's all he is. He's a robot with a personality the same as any character and was given more of a personality than many of the human characters because he was so meant to have a personality that Lucas went extra out of his way to give him one. He has agency because Lucas wanted him to have it so kids would have fun listening to him beep and boop.

Don't forget that Anakin Skywalker's Midichlorian count was off the charts so he could had easily programmed C-3PO with A.I. if he want to - just saying.

It would have been great if Lucas did a "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" version of Star Wars with C-3PO & R2-D2 as the main characters and Luke, Hans and Leia Organa et al as minor characters.

It's definitely overrated. It's a bit goofy but I think that goofiness is what appeals to it's fans.

I'll make one last attempt to get through your blinkered vision here. I never said he had no personality. But he has no FREE WILL. Look at it this way: Data is an android, not a robot (R2 is referred to as a droid, short for android, but he's not really: 3P0 is, but R2 is basically a utility robot and no more). Now, if Data took the Enterprise to the Neutral Zone and killed a bunch of Romulans, would you call Data a killer? Sure: cos Data can reason for himself, think about things, do things on his own and doesn't follow any programme. If TOLD to kill innocents, even by his captain, Data could raise an objection if he thought it was wrong, or even refuse to carry out the order. He could not (so far as I know anyway) be forced to do so.

R2, in the same situation, properly programmed, would kill anyone he was told to. He (it I should say really, but let's not shatter your preconceived illusion here too much; I know you're a fragile flower) would not be able to refuse, raise objections, or think it was wrong, because he is a MACHINE, a robot built to carry out certain tasks. Sure, he may seem cute and the beeps make him seem human, and Lucas engendered a sort of friendship between him and C3P0, but it's illusory. R2 could easily have his memory wiped and forget all about the golden guy, or his mission. He's a tool. You may as well call an AT-AT a murderer.

I know you like him, and WANT him to be a reasoning, thinking being but he ain't, and so to try to ascribe responsibility to him for any killing he may have done is ludicrious. He's the equivalent of a space tank, or any other weapon. He has personality, but no self-determination and he definitely is not sentient. When not doing what he's been programmed to do, R2 likely sits in a corner beeping to himself, waiting for new orders. He's not down the local with other droids, bragging about how many Stormtroopers he killed, and how he hates the Empire. He doesn't: he can't. He's literally just a machine, a tool, and nothing more.

Good troll though. Well done.

Think we could get back on topic now?

This is a movie where spaceships fly faster than light speed without hitting anything.

Every one was geeking out on Rocky and drinking raw eggs for breakfast. Smokey and the Bandit even had a short run before being smothered by the SW behemoth. Turbulent times.

Smokey and the Bandit was fantastic. I could walk to the theater and saw it like 8 nights in a row. I met a girl at the theater and got one of my first real kisses at Smokey and the Bandit.

That happens in nearly every sci-fi movie/franchise. Not sure what your point is here?

My point is that it's not a franchise that holds scientific accuracy above plot devices.

It's not, that's true. Batty's theory is still, as you would say, whack, but hell I don't care. Let him think that way if he wants. Ain't gonna bother me. I've had my say.

Yours is equally as whack, since your justifications are based on what we would experience on earth (and Star Trek too I guess), which isn't relevant to the franchise.

If you say so. Mine's based on logic, his on being a child, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Your stance on a fictional film about a technologically advanced society with many scientific inaccuracies or impossibilities is based on logic derived from earth based technology and real-world expectations. That's retarded.