Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1979918)

I think it would be pretty obvious that when corporate or government masters weren't involved that it would be much easier to feel like a human being in a job.

Originally Posted by dwnwthvwls (Post 1979924)

i dont do grunt work. Im a tech nerd!!!

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1979924)

I dont do grunt work. Im a tech nerd!!!

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1979929)

Wasn't saying you were, but I'm just saying I've looked up environmental volunteer work around where I live and it seems mainly about school field trip type **** or otherwise childrens' volunteer work. Can't an adult plant trees and pick up litter in a chain gang on his off time? It's not like there's no need for it.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1979931)

Yes. You live on the coast plenty of opportunities for beach clean up volunteering and i just posted a treeplanting org that anyone can join in the watchdog thread. See if thee is any planting opportunities in you area. You can probably find great volunteer opportunities st your local college campuses as well.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1979897)

This is hypocritical because I gave Kiii **** for saying he likes his job

But I like my new job. I’m in the kitchen at a high end restaurant. It’s not a chain, obviously. I’m learning so much about food and the atmosphere in the kitchen is like a good school the managers and chefs want to teach you new things. They’re also very kind and patient. And the high level people consult with the low level. It’s not like just formulated recipes. The recipes vary based on availability and the cooks and chefs discuss what they need and what they can do with the next order of food. Compared to teaching it’s very democratic and non-hierarchical. And at least verbally everyone even the dishwashers are treated with respect.

elph I don’t want you think that softens my stance against private property

Maybe it’s only because compared to what I’m used to in education it’s far less oppressive and depressing but yeah I like it there

I don’t want to be there so much or so long but I do feel happiness when I’m there

Compared to teaching where it reached the point that I felt like I’d literally rather die than go to work it’s a huge relief that I can work and not feel like killing myself

I thought it was impossible

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1979921)

glad I'm not alone on this

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1979927)

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1979897)

This is hypocritical because I gave Kiii **** for saying he likes his job

But I like my new job. I’m in the kitchen at a high end restaurant. It’s not a chain, obviously. I’m learning so much about food and the atmosphere in the kitchen is like a good school the managers and chefs want to teach you new things. They’re also very kind and patient. And the high level people consult with the low level. It’s not like just formulated recipes. The recipes vary based on availability and the cooks and chefs discuss what they need and what they can do with the next order of food. Compared to teaching it’s very democratic and non-hierarchical. And at least verbally everyone even the dishwashers are treated with respect.

elph I don’t want you think that softens my stance against private property

Maybe it’s only because compared to what I’m used to in education it’s far less oppressive and depressing but yeah I like it there

I don’t want to be there so much or so long but I do feel happiness when I’m there

Compared to teaching where it reached the point that I felt like I’d literally rather die than go to work it’s a huge relief that I can work and not feel like killing myself

I thought it was impossible

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1979949)

I don't sound so crazy after all do I?