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Frownland 11-11-2020 07:50 AM

Ask the imaginary person in your brain who's making that point.

Anyways, media wasn't prominent enough in Wollenstonecraft's time for exclusively sexualized representation in media to be on her mind imo. That said, she did view being defined by beauty as inherently restrictive, but I'm not sure if that was the intent here. The artist did it to represent femininity, they did so in a way that's far from the unrealistic standards of barbie dolls (unless they're much more toned down over in the UK), and it could've been done better but to me this just reeks of manufactroversy.

Psy-Fi 11-11-2020 08:02 AM

I'd never heard of her until I saw this thread.

:shycouch:

But I've certainly heard of her husband William Godwin, her second daughter Mary Shelley, and Mary's husband Percy Bysshe Shelley.

OccultHawk 11-11-2020 08:10 AM

It must have been hard to have a baby without a vagina.

Lisnaholic 11-11-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2143945)
I'd never heard of her until I saw this thread.

:shycouch:

But I've certainly heard of her husband William Godwin, her second daughter Mary Shelley, and Mary's husband Percy Bysshe Shelley.

Thanks for colouring in a bit of historical background, Psy-Fi.

The more I think about this statue, the more it bugs me. Not relinquishing the criticisms I've already made, I also take issue with the abstract, Quatermass blob that Barbie is rising out of.

A memorial will frequently evoke the time that the hero(ine) lived in, although most artists today would probably steer clear of an exact historical recreation. But Barbie-on-a-Blob just has no connection to MW, her times or even the aesthetics of her time. At every level it seems to disregard rather than honour or evoke MW.

In short, to quote Neil Young, it's a piece of crap. The artist might as well have put up a statue of two dogs fu cking in a spaceship for all the relevence it has to MW.

Frownland 11-11-2020 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2143952)
A memorial will frequently evoke the time that the hero(ine) lived in, although most artists today would probably steer clear of an exact historical recreation. But Barbie-on-a-Blob just has no connection to MW, her times or even the aesthetics of her time. At every level it seems to disregard rather than honour or evoke MW.

The "blob" looks like a mass of people struggling to escape from a membrane with the woman (a barbie, apparently) finally being able to escape at the top, which is a good representation of Wollenstonecraft's legacy of helping women escape oppression and achieve equal rights imo. Could've been done better but I think that the artist's intentions were sound.

Marie Monday 11-11-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143935)
Why? She’s dead. She doesn’t know it exists.

It’s what we think of it.

Imagine someone made a statue of you after you died, sculpting you draped in an American flag with a bald Eagle on your shoulder, kissing the feet of Donald Trump

Marie Monday 11-11-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2143952)
Thanks for colouring in a bit of historical background, Psy-Fi.

The more I think about this statue, the more it bugs me. Not relinquishing the criticisms I've already made, I also take issue with the abstract, Quatermass blob that Barbie is rising out of.

A memorial will frequently evoke the time that the hero(ine) lived in, although most artists today would probably steer clear of an exact historical recreation. But Barbie-on-a-Blob just has no connection to MW, her times or even the aesthetics of her time. At every level it seems to disregard rather than honour or evoke MW.

In short, to quote Neil Young, it's a piece of crap. The artist might as well have put up a statue of two dogs fu cking in a spaceship for all the relevence it has to MW.

Totally. I don't take strong offence but I definitely think it's just ugly and the design is pointless

The Batlord 11-11-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2143939)
The point of memorialising is to honour someone for their achievement, and I think speculating about the dead person's opinion is valid. The naked figurine seems like a slap in the face to MW's feminism.

I'd just like to point out that part of your argument defending a feminist's modesty is essentially just stereotyping women as being monolithically modest.

OccultHawk 11-11-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2143955)
Imagine someone made a statue of you after you died, sculpting you draped in an American flag with a bald Eagle on your shoulder, kissing the feet of Donald Trump

Well ok but it’s gonna take a lot of granite to do my ding dong.

Marie Monday 11-11-2020 11:18 AM

it would also depict you as having a tiny penis of course


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