Yes, I know there's tons of threads, that's why I replied in an older one instead of making a new one. tah dah.

Eh, not really a Bush man, but I'm taking you didn't hear the Presidential Address. It was pretty impressive. He said quite a few things I never thought I'd hear from a conservative President.

And Death, I know you didn't see the address. Seems like you haven't even seen a dictionary in a while.

dont care dude you wouldnt understand and its a keyboard big deal

^ you are lame. you think you're punk cause when asked for your opinion you scream about the "right wing injustice" and how evil these people are but than when asked for some sort of logic for your "reasoning" you say "dont care dude you wouldnt understand "

lame.

this poll should have a "who cares?" option.

are any of you even old enough to vote? and if you are, did you vote?
I voted for Kerry. I would've voted for a steaming pile of dog**** over that beady-eyed elitist fascist mother****er W. Everything he's done has been geared toward making his rich buddies richer at the expense of the working man. Can anybody say "Halliburton"? I could go on and on......

I didn't need to see last nights presidential address, if you are impressed he got one off you're either very leanient, or you are not looking at the innumerate times the man can't spit out a coherent sentence. I don't want my president to be a role model, I want him intelligent.

/\ They just cut Exxonmobil (the richest companey ever and im not using hyberbolie) a tax break because of the Hurricane, and they don't want to spend money on fuel discovery.

He said exactly what the masses want to hear. And none of it was his. It's all scripted and provided by writers who's job it is to make him look like he gives a ****. Did you know that his buddies at Halli already have been awarded the contract (with no bids I might add) to repair / rebuild the military bases that were affected by Katrina? OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!

i take it you forgot i am croatian? which makes your president's adress of little importance to me....
big3 and fidelityfiend , good replies......

Amen. I'll never get punk kids, I think their all kinda braindead.

if your going to falsify quotes at least do it properly

you should "not post in it" if you don't care.

Old enough and did vote.

The point of my post was I just wanted to know who saw it. I love how just because the President is a certain party you don't pay attention to politics for 4 years?

Regardless of whether you like him or not, his actions have a large impact on what happens in this government for 4 years.

To the guy who said he didn't care to watch it....
He said some big...HUGE things, that could have a huge impact on taxes, etc. The fact that you pay no attention makes me think little of your opinion on politics. That was my other point in bringing it up. I didn't like Clinton, but I still tried to stay on top of everything that was going on. Sure it's scripted, every President and person who runs for President says scripted speeches, but regardless, it's some key stuff.

Eh, the President is in many ways a figurehead. I would rather the cabinet and his advisors be a genius.

And tons of companies in the Gulf are getting tax breaks. That's a horrible example.

why wouldn't it be scripted? whens the last time you free styled a speech.

thats what i thought. and Haliburton after its enourmous screw ups in Iraq most assuradly will not recieve many if any reconstruction contracts.

A hirrid example, I don't care if tons are getting breaks, it doesn't make it right, and that they are the richest conglomorate ever makes it even worse.

How about the fact that he repealed a law that said rebuilding efforts have to pay works the prevailing wage in their are? Good enough? Not only did he not help anyone in the Gulf, but he completly f*cked the works who need the cash.

I'm just gonna laugh at that last paragraph. If you had watched the Presidential address, you would know that that is not true. In fact, he is going to make a works progress program similar to the largest works progress program our country has ever had, the one in the 1920's and 1930's that along with the World War was largely responsible for getting our country out of hte great depression. For a Republican President who has normally had a very hands-off policy, that is huge. This program is going to be big, and is going to cost lots of tax money. So "****ing the works who need the cash" is a joke. The entire area is going to be rebuilt by this program, along with upgrades, etc.

Also, the other thing that surprised me (since I know you didn't watch), with all the finger pointing that has been going on, President Bush actually took the responsibility for the problems that are going down on New Orleans. Even though afterwards they were speaking to people at the Astrodome asking them who they thought were responsible, and the overwhelming majority said the Mayor of New Orleans. Bush went on to say that (it's a rough quote) "it is Presidential for the problem and solution", admitting his fault in the situation.

Scripted or not, it was a very important speech, and it makes me laugh that all these people so much "into their government" pay no attention to things of this magnitude.

its cause your running into brainwashed kids who think there so diffrent.Death of captilism would love bush if punk bands didnt hate him if rock against bush never came out and punk bands stayed out of bush's way he wouldnt care.

i bet you go to rallies and chant " bush, bush!" , you seem very thrilled about this man,and i'm sorry, but as much as i think you're very intelligent, i have lost all respect for you, he is undoubtedly the dumbest president america has ever had.....

Dumbest thing I've ever read, since your Social D rant. He hasn't resorted to any sort of partisan rhetoric, yet you still accuse him of being some ultra conservative enthusiast. Don't let your pre-determined political preference get in the way of trying to look at issues and events for what they're worth.

The speech was good, especially considering how terrifying his speech writers have been in the past. He touched on the racial/social issue, AND he took full responsibility, something I don't think any of us expected. Both were probably unnecessary, but I'm assuming he needed something to resurrect him in the public polls.

Only thing left to be seen is where the admin is going to cut spending. For a Republican-dominated White House, they certainly haven't followed any precedent in terms of spending. When so much money and resources are overseas, it's kinda tough to take care of the problems at home.

Never been to a rally in my life. But thanks for the random accusation. You say something like that after I just say how I think he made a great speech, yet you've failed to even watch the speech or look up a written copy of the speech somewhere on the internet (since yes I know, you are in another country). Regardless of if you think he was an idiot, a fool, or an incompetent pos, it touched on a lot of topics that you wouldn't expect any President to take blame for, and other topics you wouldn't expect a conservative President to touch on as well.

As to Hookers, I think it's come down to a point where there isn't going to be a cut of spending somewhere else, but an increase of taxes. Which is gonna suck, but I don't see where money could be cut from with so much going on overseas.

Mod or not, thats savagely arrogant and unneeded, just debate. I'll throw down the gauntlet right now, I'd wager I know more about politics than you (american at least) and the fact that you gloss over huge issues is disgusting.

For one thing "Apologry/reponsibility" is widely regarded as a political sidestep. Political advisors know that once you take "reponsibility" you're basically absolved from the majority of the crime. The public can't ask you to do more than that when relief efforts have obviously already started and you certainly can't go back in time. Reagan did it, Cheaney did it. Its a move, its not genuine.

I'll also say here your either an intentionally-blind zealot, or you just ignore the facts. Nothing about this president is republican, he has been big government all across the board, using the strong arm of the executive branch to impose his own views, which is decidedly against the republican platform which usually calls for small fedaeral government and states rights.

I've watched countless Bush speeches, and because one night I missed it (probably working) and I don't have TiVo, you're going to say I don't know politics. I say you don't know everything from watching one speech.

First of all, don't laugh at what i've said, its a question that was raised to the Louisiana Senator on Lou Dobbs's show (so you can find the broadcast if you find it hard to believe) but then again, you probably saw it, being so involved in politics like you are. And I never said he wasn't going to create programs, I said he repealed a law that required them to be paid the wage they would have recieved normally which is already small on a national level.

Don't skim my responce and then arrogantly chuckle that im an idiot. Read the damn thing, do your research and I think you'll be hard pressed to refute me with actual fact.

well fuck you too, you fucking hypocrite, the man has done nothing but defend bush in all his previous posts, you're damn right i'm gonna assume he's a Bush supporter, and if you're gonna call my Social distortion post incredibly dumb i would kindly ask you to elaborate further on that, i was expression my opinion and impression of their music, if you disagree, well too fucking bad, it's MY goddamn opinion!!

Taking the responsibility for something you are blamed for is often so, but when the overwhelming majority of people interviewed were blaming the Mayor of New Orleans for all the problems, when the President went out of his way to take blame when it was not needed was pretty big, regardless of whether you think it was a "political tool".

Eh, the President has been strongarming with the Executive branch? On what issue other than the war? And more Republican President's, and all President's for that matter, have had less and less with state's rights. When each President (yes, every one) is basically being elected because of promisd tax cuts to "the middle class", these tax cuts are being made, and the Federal Government is just giving less and less money to the states.

And can I ask when that question was asked on that show? Was it before or after the new Presidential speech? Because the proposed works progress program is going to be throwing 100's of billions of dollars towards the Gulf Coast region. And did he veto the law or repeal it? Cause I've never known a President to repeal any law.

And in all of your posts you've done nothing but bash Bush. So I'm gonna assume that you go to parades and chant "F Bush, F Bush"? No. I'm not.

^my pm doesnt work and your a mod (i cant pm anyone anymore) so can you look into that please

i would if there were any...you would be right to assume that, if i wasn't so lazy.....

Well for one thing, Maybe the people in LA are saying it was the mayors fault, and I don't absolve him from blame, but when you are the president of the united states, and you visit Florida right after all 4 hurricanes during an election year, and then wait 3 days before you visit one in LA because you're on vacation and you don't want it interupted. Theres no other word for that than assanine. Considering he's nearing the most vacation time ever taken by a president (and he has 3 years left)

Everyone else in the country was crucifying him for his lack of action, its gross and it shouldn't be done. From what I understand, bodies are being left out to rot, people are dying of starvation, and families that are rescued are being relocated to diffrent places, so families don't know if their children are alive or dead.

Again negligent on behalf of everyone involved. And when you appoint Micheal Browning as head of FEMA, you are to blame for his failure, when you knew he was unqualified.

As to which issues is he strong arming? Again I'll hold you as intentionally blind. Terri Shivo, ***-Marrige Amendment, Abortion; these are all issues that should be states rights, and they continually do what they want, not what the people of a state want. And presidents can repeal laws, Keyoto accord, tons of enviornmental laws have been repealed. I suppose you wouldn't notice if you like what he's doing.

And by the way, except for maybe Virgina and Texas, most red states can't support themselves, they don't make enough money, I live in MA, who gives (in ratio) a dollar to the fed and we get back like 73 cents, where as Kentucky gives a buck and gets 1.50 back. Most red states feel the money goes to welfare recipeants, and its just not the case. But Tax cuts are not a selling issue with presidents. And the middle has seen (comparitivly) no tax cuts in the last 5 years.

Your box is full. Delete the pm's you've recieved and sent then try again.

Tax cuts are a huge and large selling issue with Presidents and have been for quite some time. And again, it's not the cut they receive, but what is promised (often aimed at the middle class because that is the major majority).

Many issues are state's rights, but when you receive a large sum of money from the Federal Government then the Feds often do have a great deal in the state's rights. It's the state's rights to give out a drinking age, but you wanna know how that got through? It's the state's rights to have segregated schools, but we don't see any. You say he has been Democratic in the way he uses the strong arm of the executive branch to force his views, but then all the views you point out are ones where he supports the Conservative point of view (*** marriage, abortion).

Many people in the media were crucifying the President for lack of action, but I would respect the opinion of the people who were there more than the random people on the news. And I don't get your comparision of the hurricanes in Florida to the ones of New Orleans. They aren't comparable really. I doubt his reason for not going so quickly was "he didn't want to be interrupted".

Normally I'd agree with you, but since voters tended to make decisions based on nothing they were involved in. Let me clarify. It's become comical how all red staters hate *** Marrige and Terrorism yet neither really effects their state.

Same here, maybe those people, who havn't seen papers, televisions, or much of anything since the damn thing hit probably wouldn't notice how slow footed the responce would be.

Why do you think he was so slow getting there? Because Karl Rove hadn't told him to show up yet? Because he was pushing medicare issues in Arizona, or because he was on good Morning America.

He's said things that are inherently stupid. That Micheal Browning was doing a good job, that no one thought the levee's would break.

The hurricanes are comprable. he went to Florida for votes, and now he's lame duck, he doesn't care, and the race issue is a huge case, because its hard to ignore the large minority population in New Orleans and then in FL where he visited so often, has a majority of the majority.

Seeing as I can't go back and read the other points you made without erasing the above, Ill leave it at this for now.

The bottom line is, I don't think he's doing such a great job when it comes to anything, even on the things I think were right. That speech, could have been the Gettysberg Address, it doesn't remove the years of neglect.

Red states aren't effected by terrorism? I'm guessing your saying that because there are no major targets? What about....let's say, the world's largest naval base? I believe that terrorism affects all states. Also, I don't see how *** marriage doesn't effect red states. All ***s stay in the blue states?

Personally I believe he didn't show up in New Orleans right after the hurricane because he was probably being advised not to because it wasn't safe. Of course, that's just my view, which you believing he is a lazy is your point of view.

And Michael Browning won't make it out of this alive (having his job). That was part of the speech saying a full investigation of what went wrong "on all levels" is going to be done.

Also, I think the whole race argument is lame.

tried that a while ago

With all the perks of being president I sure as hell think they could make it safe for him.

As for the race argument, you're right, it is lame. You can't be president if you're racist, it just doesn't work like that anymore. The spotlight is too intense and critical of the president as a person. Americans won't vote you in if you are racist in any way.

For one thing, now I know you're ut of the political sportlight because Browning has already resigned.

Secondly, its no racism in the vein that he hates blacks, its racism, and classism, in the way of them not beceing able to support his campaign fincially, , and knowing blacks in new orleans probably didn't vote for him. Not all racism wears a white hood.

I thought Browning stepped down but was still working with FEMA. Am I wrong? I could be.

And I'm not sure how much of it was it being a majority (what..83%, something around there) blacks or the fact that we haven't had such a large scale storm in...well, ever.

The head of Homeland security, who's name escapes me at the moment, sent him back to DC, but then he signed because someones head needed to roll.

Did he resign as head of FEMA and go down to a lower position still working with FEMA or did he just resign in total? I thought it was the first of the two and he was still working, but totally could be wrong as I honestly have been busy as hell lately. I'll try to look up some stuff on it later.

wasting lives stupid war bush is an idiot period.

Great insight.

even better user name.