American History X

TheCunningStunt · 11-10-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

My bad. All these years I thought the point of message boards was to create topics to things that interest you and create discussion.

Or talk about topics that are relevant to existing threads.

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Originally Posted by James

I love Norton. But he was very average in AHX.

I thought he made the film a bit better myself, he hasn't been good in the 00s.
I think it was his last memorable performance.

~~James~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Really? What do you like him better in? I think American History X is by far his best stuff... I liked 25th Hour a lot too though

Fight Club?

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Fight Club?

Always thought Fight Club was over rated. I like it, but it wasn't this awesome classic or anything. Norton's good in it, I don't like him in it as much as I like him in American History X though

TheCunningStunt · 11-10-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Fight Club?

We have a Training Day thread and an American History X thread, but one of the best films ever (well, certainly of recent times) doesn't have one.
We should make one! But apparently Fight Club is overrated.
A philosophical film exploring lots of different ideas mainly focused around consumerism isn't as good as a film whose message is - "racism is bad."
And I agree, Norton's performance in Fight Club shits over the one in American History X.

~~James~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

We have a Training Day thread and an American History X thread, but one of the best films ever (well, certainly of recent times) doesn't have one.
We should make one!

I concur.
Better than Training Day and AHX put together IMHO.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

We have a Training Day thread and an American History X thread, but one of the best films ever (well, certainly of recent times) doesn't have one.
We should make one! But apparently Fight Club is overrated.
A philosophical film exploring lots of different ideas mainly focused around consumerism isn't as good as a film whose message is - "racism is bad."
And I agree, Norton's performance in Fight Club shits over the one in American History X.

Fight Club has always been overrated. If you wish to simplify American History X to that short message, then go for it, but I don't think the movie was made to all of a sudden make everyone aware that racism is bad. But maybe you think that

TheCunningStunt · 11-10-2010, 04:17 PM

Anything that gets unanimous praise from everyone can be deemed as "overrated" but Fight Club was and is a cult film. It's not just something critics loved, it's a film that people loved.
Oh right, why was the film made then?
Other than to entertain, which it did. It did its job in that respect.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:21 PM

It's just a great movie telling a story of how race has influenced the lives of these two people inparticular. Great actors, great directing. I couldn't care less if you like it or not. I just think it's funny when people come into a thread like "OMG he made a thread about a movie!?!? In the Media section!!! Ahhh!!" ...and then they end up talking about the movie anyways lol.

Fight Club is a cult classic... I just don't consider it a great movie. It's not in my top 5 or top 10 movies.

TheCunningStunt · 11-10-2010, 04:36 PM

You couldn't care less if I like it or not? Why did you make a thread about it to get a discussion going then, if you don't even care about other's opinions?

I merely asked if you were planning to make a thread on every second rate film you enjoy, if you are - I'll still give my opinion in them.

Yes, the film TELLS the story of how race influenced the lives of the characters.
But I didn't ask you to outline the plot, I asked about the message of the film.
The message is - racism is bad.

I don't fully remember it, I think I need a rewatch.
I just remember Edwart Norton's character completely changing his Neo-Nazi ways after sharing a laugh with a black man in prison.

Overall verdict: entertaining film, redundant message and nowhere near Norton's best as Fight Club's depth is incomparable to AHX.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:45 PM

It's much deeper than A Neo-Nazi changing his ways after chatting it up with a black dude in prison. Doesn't seem redundant at all to me and I think Norton's performance is way better (as is the movie) than in Fight Club.

I like American History X so much because it's telling a story in realistic fashion and it's directed as such. The people seem like real characters, its believable. And I like that in movies. And i've always been really interested in racial topics, I have some pretty strong views on different things. And the way the movie is directed, it just shows how so many things in society affect your outlook on racism and how it can become very misunderstood. So maybe that's part of why I am not a huge Fight club fan, because it's not a movie portrayed in a realistic way.

11-10-2010, 04:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	Anything that gets unanimous praise from everyone can be deemed as "overrated" but Fight Club was and is a cult film. It's not just something critics loved, it's a film that people loved. Oh right, why was the film made then? Other than to entertain, which it did. It did its job in that respect. __________________ I don't feel and I feel great. Last FM

11-10-2010, 04:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	You couldn't care less if I like it or not? Why did you make a thread about it to get a discussion going then, if you don't even care about other's opinions? I merely asked if you were planning to make a thread on every second rate film you enjoy, if you are - I'll still give my opinion in them. Yes, the film TELLS the story of how race influenced the lives of the characters. But I didn't ask you to outline the plot, I asked about the message of the film. The message is - racism is bad. I don't fully remember it, I think I need a rewatch. I just remember Edwart Norton's character completely changing his Neo-Nazi ways after sharing a laugh with a black man in prison. Overall verdict: entertaining film, redundant message and nowhere near Norton's best as Fight Club's depth is incomparable to AHX. __________________ I don't feel and I feel great. Last FM

11-10-2010, 04:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	It's just a great movie telling a story of how race has influenced the lives of these two people inparticular. Great actors, great directing. I couldn't care less if you like it or not. I just think it's funny when people come into a thread like "OMG he made a thread about a movie!?!? In the Media section!!! Ahhh!!" ...and then they end up talking about the movie anyways lol. Fight Club is a cult classic... I just don't consider it a great movie. It's not in my top 5 or top 10 movies.

11-10-2010, 04:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	It's much deeper than A Neo-Nazi changing his ways after chatting it up with a black dude in prison. Doesn't seem redundant at all to me and I think Norton's performance is way better (as is the movie) than in Fight Club. I like American History X so much because it's telling a story in realistic fashion and it's directed as such. The people seem like real characters, its believable. And I like that in movies. And i've always been really interested in racial topics, I have some pretty strong views on different things. And the way the movie is directed, it just shows how so many things in society affect your outlook on racism and how it can become very misunderstood. So maybe that's part of why I am not a huge Fight club fan, because it's not a movie portrayed in a realistic way.