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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 07-08-2017 11:40 AM

interesting. both 10/10 for me. not sure i could pick between them.

Frownland 07-08-2017 11:44 AM

The Shining still manages to surprise me after over a hundred viewings. I agree that ACO is a 10/10 masterpiece, but it's a world that I'm very familiar with.

Zhanteimi 07-08-2017 07:54 PM

I saw 2001 in the theater a couple years ago. I have the film on DVD, and it's one of my favorites, so imagine my joy when my local theater had a two-year program going where they played classic films at matinee shows!

I saw so many classics during that time, including 2001, Enter the Dragon, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

I just wish they'd shown Cool Hand Luke...

Chula Vista 07-08-2017 08:13 PM

Paths of Glory
Spartacus
Dr. Strangelove
2001
Clockwork Orange
The Shining

All 10/10.




Oriphiel 07-08-2017 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1853942)
Frankenhooker
The Gingerdead Man
Escape From L.A.
Dude, Where's My Car?
The Warriors
Cannibal: The Musical

All 10/10.

Yes

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 07-08-2017 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1853943)
Yes

you're the best

Oriphiel 07-08-2017 08:34 PM

Qwertyy is the true 10/10 :beer:

Mondo Bungle 07-08-2017 08:47 PM

Why don't you make a better movie then and show everyone up

Oriphiel 07-08-2017 08:54 PM

Okay

Mondo Bungle 07-08-2017 08:58 PM

shouldn't be that hard right

Justthefacts 07-09-2017 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1853957)
shouldn't be that hard right

I'm starting to appreciate your style more and more.

2001 > Dr. Strangelove > A Clockwork Orange > The Shining > Eyes Wide Shut > The Killing > Paths Of Glory

9.5-10/10's right there.

Blank. 07-09-2017 04:02 PM

2001 is Kubrick's worst movie. And I'm not particularly a fan of his style to begin with. It's a nearly three hour wank fest that's boring til HAL shows up (most of the stuff with HAL is boring) and become boring again after HAL leaves.

And don't give me some deeper meaning ****. I don't care about some deeper meaning. I watch films for entertainment and it failed to do that.

Frownland 07-09-2017 04:06 PM

Well how can anyone beat that incredibly informed post? Might as well just close the thread now.

Tristan_Geoff 07-09-2017 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854172)
Well how can anyone beat that incredibly informed post? Might as well just close the thread now.

Forget that, close the forum. It's all over.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 07-09-2017 04:59 PM

it failed to entertainment

Mondo Bungle 07-09-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Justthefacts (Post 1854026)
I'm starting to appreciate your style more and more.

2001 > Dr. Strangelove > A Clockwork Orange > The Shining > Eyes Wide Shut > The Killing > Paths Of Glory

9.5-10/10's right there.

I like Full Metal Jacket

Justthefacts 07-09-2017 06:26 PM

Full Metal Jacket = 10/10

Mondo Bungle 07-09-2017 06:28 PM

What about Lolita tho

Actually I haven't seen that

Zhanteimi 07-09-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1854201)
What about Lolita

The film is a waste of time. Read the book.

The Batlord 07-09-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mord (Post 1854202)
The film is a waste of time. Read the book.

That is one of two books I had to stop reading because it was just making me feel bleak and depressed. Good **** though.

Chula Vista 07-09-2017 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1854170)
2001 is Kubrick's worst movie.

I'm simply going to pretend you never made this post.

Queen of England 07-09-2017 09:25 PM

Full Metal Jacket is a great movie. Until they leave bootcamp and go to war and then it sucks. I refer to movies with a great first half and a terrible second half as suffering from "Full Metal Jacket Syndrome" or FMJS for short. I borrow this terminology partially from comedian Patrice O'Neal. Another fine example of a movie suffering from a fatal case of FMJS is Independence Day.

revised top 3 favorite Kubrick movies list:
1. Dr Strangelove
2. Eyes Wide Shut
3. Clockwork Orange

I kind of agree with Oriphiel with regard to 2001. Great concept, and some great scenes/visuals, but kind of boring to watch overall.

Zhanteimi 07-09-2017 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1854212)
That is one of two books I had to stop reading because it was just making me feel bleak and depressed. Good **** though.

What was the other one?

Chula Vista 07-09-2017 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mord (Post 1854224)
What was the other one?

He should read "The Road" and "On the Beach". He'll jump off a bridge.

The Batlord 07-09-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mord (Post 1854224)
What was the other one?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ver_art%29.jpg

Frownland 07-09-2017 10:03 PM

Oh **** JCO namedrop. She's one of my favourites.

Mondo Bungle 07-09-2017 10:05 PM

I'm biased with the Shining since it's my favorite movie ever

Queen of England 07-09-2017 10:35 PM

The Shining is definitely my favorite horror movie. But I'm not that big on horror movies.

The thing about it is that the modern ones are much more cheap in terms of storyline but they scare me more than The Shining because of the jump scares. And the jump scares are pretty cheap and predictable. But they still give me more of a jolt than The Shining or any other "classic" type horror movie. Where as The Shining is just creepy but not as scary. But much more enjoyable as an actual movie.

Oriphiel 07-10-2017 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen of England (Post 1854221)
I kind of agree with Oriphiel with regard to 2001. Great concept, and some great scenes/visuals, but kind of boring to watch overall.

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Trollheart 07-10-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1854170)
2001 is Kubrick's worst movie. And I'm not particularly a fan of his style to begin with. It's a nearly three hour wank fest that's boring til HAL shows up (most of the stuff with HAL is boring) and become boring again after HAL leaves.

And don't give me some deeper meaning ****. I don't care about some deeper meaning. I watch films for entertainment and it failed to do that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854172)
Well how can anyone beat that incredibly informed post? Might as well just close the thread now.

Well there is a reason why he's called what he's called .... ;)

Seriously: I watched 2001 again last night and I still have no clue what it's about. But for visuals (Jupiter and beyond the infinite) it's hard to beat for a late-sixties movie. I do love it though. Possibly ruined it by writing/releasing 2010. That's one movie that did not need a sequel.

Frownland 07-10-2017 10:40 AM

http://i.imgur.com/J6iXr4Z.jpg

It could NOT be any more simple, Trollheart.

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 12:03 PM

One thing to realize is that Kubrick made 2001 to be a cinematic experience. A few fun facts.

1. The height to width aspect ratio of the monoliths are exactly the same as the apect ratios of the cinema screens it was first shown on - only rotated 90 degrees.

2. During its first cinematic run, the movie would start with the screen completely black for about 5 minutes while music played to the audience. And then there was an intermission halfway through, where again, the screen was completely black while music played.

During the movie there's two scenes where a monolith "sings" - to the apes on earth, and then the astronauts on the moon, as a way to enlighten them and further their evolution.

Notice any parallels?

Broken down to it's basics the movie is really easy to understand.

- An alien race plants a monolith on earth to help "teach" the apes to utilize tools (the bone) in order to survive and evolve.

- They also plant a monolith on the moon, knowning that once the human race had evolved enough from a technological standpoint to discover it, they'd most likely also be at the point of destroying themselves.

- The ape throws the bone (tool) into the air and then the movie jump cuts thousands of years into the future and we see a spaceship (tool) orbiting the earth. We then see multiple other spaceships orbiting. If you look closely, each one has a different nation's flag on it. They are all weapons of mass destruction.

- After the crew is directed to Jupiter by the moon monolith, Bowman enters the wormhole and is transported to the alien planet. There he's taken care of until he dies, and is then re-incarnated as the Star-Child. The next evolution of the human race.

- In the final scene the Star-Child is hovering above the earth. What Kubrick didn't show that the novel explains, is that the first thing the Star-Child does is destroy all of the orbiting spaceships (tools).

Frownland 07-10-2017 12:07 PM

It also lays out human evolution in three clear stages/battles: man versus nature, man versus technology, and man versus himself.

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854338)
It also lays out human evolution in three clear stages/battles: man versus nature, man versus technology, and man versus himself.

Slam Dunk.

Justthefacts 07-11-2017 09:53 PM

honestly though what really is 2001 about, and who really gives a shit?

Frownland 07-11-2017 10:11 PM

It's like nobody understands a movie unless Morgan Freeman is narrating it.

Frownland 07-11-2017 10:13 PM

Twin Peaks Season 3 Episode 8 amiright everyone?

Chula Vista 07-11-2017 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854779)
It's like nobody understands a movie unless Morgan Freeman is narrating it.

Or Sam Elliot.

Trollheart 07-12-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1854312)
http://i.imgur.com/J6iXr4Z.jpg

It could NOT be any more simple, Trollheart.

Yes. Yes, it could.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1854337)

Broken down to it's basics the movie is really easy to understand.

- An alien race plants a monolith on earth to help "teach" the apes to utilize tools (the bone) in order to survive and evolve.

Got this one.
Quote:

- They also plant a monolith on the moon, knowning that once the human race had evolved enough from a technological standpoint to discover it, they'd most likely also be at the point of destroying themselves.
Yep. With you so far.
Quote:

- The ape throws the bone (tool) into the air and then the movie jump cuts thousands of years into the future and we see a spaceship (tool) orbiting the earth. We then see multiple other spaceships orbiting. If you look closely, each one has a different nation's flag on it. They are all weapons of mass destruction.
Bolded: did not notice this, but got all the rest
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- After the crew is directed to Jupiter by the moon monolith, Bowman enters the wormhole and is transported to the alien planet.
Never got that. Thought that was just in his mind, him going a little space crazy after so long alone. But it makes sense now.
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There he's taken care of until he dies, and is then re-incarnated as the Star-Child. The next evolution of the human race.
No, never got that. I thought he was seeing his future, but didn't understand why the monolith suddenly appeared and had no idea why
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- In the final scene the Star-Child is hovering above the earth. What Kubrick didn't show that the novel explains, is that the first thing the Star-Child does is destroy all of the orbiting spaceships (tools).
this happened.

Now it all makes sense. Thanks so much for the ground-level explanation, Chula. Much better than Frown's usual snark and superior attitude. Over thirty years of "huh?" cleared up in one post. Bravo and thanks. :bowdown:

Note: When the monolith on the moon sends the radio signal to Jupiter, is it doing that to a) alert the one on Jupiter that Man has achieved space travel and is now ready for the next phase of his evolution or b) to throw "bread crumbs" enticing humans to Jupiter and to their planned destiny?

Frownland 07-12-2017 10:31 AM

I mean, despite the lack of exposition, it is pretty simple and straightforward tbh. I'm biased because I've understood the movie from a young age (don't really remember if I had help or not, probably a combo of conversation with my uncle and my own brain). The transition between ape and man is a pretty loud hint at the themes imo.

And yes the idea is that the signals are pushing humans along.


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