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The Batlord 12-10-2015 07:56 PM

True Detective Season 1 Questions and Theories
 
I guess I'm a TD S1 crackhead, because I've just started watching episode 1 after about a week after my second time watching the entire thing, and some **** bothers me, as it does many people. Consider this the thread to ask your questions and pose your answers (cause the TV thread is not big enough to contain them all).

For me, the first of many little questions that's been bugging me, is why does Rust keep looking into that tiny mirror in his wall? I've got about a million others, but I'm drunk and I'm not about to go off into a Trollheart-length tirade.

Oh, and as an open-ended thing, whether or not The Yellow King is actually supposed to be a real entity, what do you think it all means? Cause it's obviously more than just some literary device just to be interesting.

And go...

Nameless 12-10-2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1659252)
For me, the first of many little questions that's been bugging me, is why does Rust keep looking into that tiny mirror in his wall?

Because he's weird.

And I thought the Yellow King was an actual person. Like, probably the person in charge of the whole weird thing.

Now I have to rewatch it. Really is a great season of TV. 2 wasn't terrible but 1 was better to me.

Chula Vista 12-10-2015 11:50 PM

Bat, I have a copy of The Yellow King. PM your address if you want it.

The mirror has to be a metaphor of some sort. Wait till the end of the season to think about it anymore.

The Batlord 12-11-2015 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nameless (Post 1659291)
Because he's weird.

And I thought the Yellow King was an actual person. Like, probably the person in charge of the whole weird thing.

Now I have to rewatch it. Really is a great season of TV. 2 wasn't terrible but 1 was better to me.

I've heard people say that the Yellow King is the killer, the killer's dad, the skull statue thing at the altar in Carcosa, and even that it's a real entity.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1659302)
Bat, I have a copy of The Yellow King. PM your address if you want it.

The mirror has to be a metaphor of some sort. Wait till the end of the season to think about it anymore.

Already stolen it off the internet.

Nameless 12-12-2015 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1659313)
I've heard people say that the Yellow King is the killer, the killer's dad, the skull statue thing at the altar in Carcosa, and even that it's a real entity.

I don't even know what basis they would have for that. My impression the entire time was basically that the group of people abducting the women and kids were just very... festive, then that became an elaborate story in the mind of the weird inbred meth addicted whatever killer guy. The Yellow King was probably just a central figure. Hell, maybe it wasn't a real person.

We have to kidnap the writers and ask them at gunpoint.

Chula Vista 12-12-2015 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1659252)
Oh, and as an open-ended thing, whether or not The Yellow King is actually supposed to be a real entity, what do you think it all means? Cause it's obviously more than just some literary device just to be interesting.

Maybe not. These two think it was more style over substance.

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But who is The Yellow King? Does it matter?

Esther: Perhaps the most frustrating element of the finale, and maybe the show in general, was the fact that Pizzolatto laid out an entire mythology having to do with The Yellow King and Carcosa that remains a mystery as we leave the show behind. In one sense, that’s true to life: killers often are brought to justice without the public ever knowing what their motives were. These guys were evil and believed in some evil things. In another sense, it feels like Pizzolatto was jerking us around and showing off just how writerly he could be. I’m sure in the coming days there will be plenty of theories of how it all ties together, but for now I feel a little bit like I’ve been cheated.

David: I was certainly satisfied with what a nightmarish vision Carcosa turned out to be. Major hat tip to this show’s production designer, who did an equally good job on Errol’s dilapidated shack and his stick-filled chamber of horrors. But I agree that Pizzolatto maybe leaned a little too hard on the whole “who knows why men do the evil that they do” angle. There were so many scenes across the season of people freaking out at the sight of the stick sculptures, at the thought of the scar-faced man. Even Ann Dowd’s babbling in this final episode raised more questions we’ll never get answers to. I understand Pizzolatto’s resistance to just dumping a whole bunch of exposition on us at the end. But it was kinda hilarious how Marty literally cut the explanation off from his hospital bed. He doesn’t need to hear the details, and from a character perspective that makes sense, but I would have loved just a couple minutes on why Errol was doing what he was doing, and why his victims/acolytes were so cowed by him.

The Batlord 12-12-2015 11:04 AM

Whatever my problems with the finale, not explaining **** wasn't one of them. Whether or not they went too far in keeping things mysterious is up for debate, but all of the fun, obsessive discussions going on all over the internet wouldn't be happening if there was a bow wrapped around the end of the show.

prisoner437x3y0 12-18-2015 03:17 PM

Show is really carried by purely by machismo dialogue, great performances and great cinematography. It is essentially an HBO version of other cop shows--which i think was the point.

I know I'm gonna be vindicated for being a male and throwing out the misogynist card (I mostly due it for topic of conversation) but it was a little ridiculous. Woody Harrelson getting phone calls form beutiful young women asking him to **** her in the ass, every female character being some type of prostitute or subordinate wife.

Don't honestly care that much--I've watched the season 3 times.

What do you guys think of the second season? It seemed too driven by feedback from the first, alas all the strong female characters. I thought the casting was too beautiful, I don't like beautiful women doing cop stuff (maybe i'm the misogynist) it breaks the reality for me. Rachel McAdams is too damn pretty too be doing this hard drinking dark bruised cop routine, although I get she was raped. Thats why I liked the wire--the female police didn't wear much makeup and were butch.

I'm all about hyper realism to a perhaps excessive extent. The plot was overly convoluted and kind-of childish in its extreme broodiness--wtf was with that lady always singing at the bar?

However, that scene where colin farrell gets drunk, blasts music and essentially breaks everything in his apartment...I've unfortunately been there.

The Batlord 12-18-2015 03:24 PM

The whole point of Woody Harrelson's machismo was that it destroyed his life. He was living in a time twenty years removed, in a place probably twenty years removed from even that time, so the fact that the female characters came across as subservient to the men was just natural.

prisoner437x3y0 12-18-2015 03:29 PM

Huh, I hadn't thought to look at it like that.

The Batlord 12-18-2015 03:31 PM

It makes sense. He wanted a marriage where he could just come home and relax, without putting any effort into a human relationship, and when that failed, he went to an emotionally immature and impressionable woman probably half his age who looked very much like his wife to compensate. The man clearly was pining after a simpler time and a woman much less sophisticated in a way that was childish and self-destructive.

prisoner437x3y0 12-18-2015 04:41 PM

she didn't look like his wife
http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2.../monaghanx.jpg
I'll become yoshi for michelle monoghan

Plus, his wife wasn't exactly guilt free either. She wanted to **** rust brooding self since she first laid eyes on him.

The point is all the women on the show were disposable in some form and generally in awe of ego maniacal males

prisoner437x3y0 12-18-2015 04:42 PM

are there any females on this site who've watched the show? I'm curious what y'all make of our discussion of misogyny lol

I personally know a lot of women think its lame when we go here.

The Batlord 12-18-2015 04:45 PM

Yes, women have sexual attraction toward men who are not their husbands. That does not make them disposable. That makes them people. But she showed no inclination toward pursuing that until she was trying to get back at her husband, a literal two-timing cheater.

prisoner437x3y0 12-18-2015 04:57 PM

and men are attracted to women who are not their wives

the show is about women being killed, they visit a trailer park whorehouse and as police officers tolerate it, rust tells a women in distress to kill herself....i dunno man

admittedly playing devils advocate, but even true detective season 2 is obviously in response to these complaints

The Batlord 12-18-2015 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by prisoner437x3y0 (Post 1661756)
and men are attracted to women who are not their wives

the show is about women being killed, they visit a trailer park whorehouse and as police officers tolerate it, rust tells a women in distress to kill herself....i dunno man

admittedly playing devils advocate, but even true detective season 2 is obviously in response to these complaints

I don't think anyone is advocating the actions of Rust (though his philosophy is hard to debate), but we would still be better off without that particular bitch, even if Rust's "suggestion" was inhumane.

The series was most certainly not celebrating the actions of the two main characters, but putting forth that, sometimes reality necessitates that which we are not comfortable with.

prisoner437x3y0 12-18-2015 06:55 PM

I can't disagree with that.


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