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Key 07-08-2018 11:48 AM

MB's Video Game Classics: Pokemon Red / Blue / Fire Red / Leaf Green
 
Probably in my top 5 favorite Pokemon games of all time. The originals and the remakes are both fantastic.

4/5 since gen 3 is my favorite Pokemon gen.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 12:15 PM

There are several games in the running for my most played ever, but honestly I think Fire Red might be it right there. I've put over a hundred hours into it countless times in months-long marathon sessions so many times over the years. Pokemon Red was my first Pokemon game and my first team was the only one I ever got to level 100 cause every game since I keep restarting. Loved that game to death but Fire Red has running shoes and so many other features that it wins hands down even over nostalgia, and Fire Red has mad nostalgia going at this point anyway.

Favored team: Arcanine (my ****in' boi right thur), Dragonite, Scyther, Kadabra (no one to trade with, for Scyther as well :(), Lapras (I think, it's been awhile), and Tyranitar.

Current team cause I've been playing again: Blastoise, Primeape, Nidorina, Raichu, Pidgeot, and Arcanine, I've been using a team made almost entirely of Pokemon I could catch before fighting Brock. I had a Beedrill but Beedrill proved too garbage to be worth the frustration and I didn't really want a Butterfree so I went with a five Pokemon team for a while. Then I was just like, "**** it I want an Arcanine".

I also have a "team" of five Meowths I use for training along with whatever Pokemon I'm trying to level up. Meowth has the Pickup ability that gives it a 10% chance to pick up an item whenever you win a battle, and that includes berries, nuggets, and PP Ups, so while grinding for levels I also grind for items. Realizing I could do that was an amazing moment. BTW I have 1 level 14 named "Lieutenant", 1 level 12 named "Sergeant", and 3 named "Private". Because I'm stupid.

MicShazam 07-08-2018 12:19 PM

That whole Pokemon thing happened a bit late for me. My younger brother was into it, but I grew up with He-Man and Ninja Turtles and Magic the Gathering instead.

I do like the idea of a turn based game in the style of these, so I don't know. Could be my type of thing. But really, so many of these video game classics entries presume you grew up with Nintendo, and I very much didn't.

Key 07-08-2018 12:22 PM

Solid lineup. One of my all time favorite games is fire red and I started Pokemon around when red and blue came out. However I instead decided to get Yellow, which was still really good. I did love starting with Pikachu as well. But yeah these games are not only great, but fire red and leaf green easily take the spot for best remaster of an original game ever. They basically kept it all for nostalgia sake but made a ton of quality of life improvements. Plus, it was really fun to play through the remasters and play the original story in color. I thought that was awesome. I don't remember most of my teams but I do remember having a powerhouse Vaporeon that I had traded all the way from ruby and sapphire to x and y. I still have my copy of X and I bet that Vaporeon is still there.

Key 07-08-2018 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1972146)
That whole Pokemon thing happened a bit late for me. My younger brother was into it, but I grew up with He-Man and Ninja Turtles and Magic the Gathering instead.

I do like the idea of a turn based game in the style of these, so I don't know. Could be my type of thing. But really, so many of these video game classics entries presume you grew up with Nintendo, and I very much didn't.

Yeah there's a lot of Nintendo ones. That wasn't my intention. Nintendo is just known for making so many true classics that it's hard to narrow it down.

MicShazam 07-08-2018 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1972149)
Yeah there's a lot of Nintendo ones. That wasn't my intention. Nintendo is just known for making so many true classics that it's hard to narrow it down.

Plus most of you apparently had Nintendo consoles when you were kids. I grew up with PC games. I've had some NES and SNES emulators installed sometimes, so I've played some of those old 8-bit and 16-bit games, but it's just not really my frame of reference.

Key 07-08-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1972151)
Plus most of you apparently had Nintendo consoles when you were kids. I grew up with PC games. I've had some NES and SNES emulators installed sometimes, so I've played some of those old 8-bit and 16-bit games, but it's just not really my frame of reference.

Ah. Damn. I guess I just grew up in the primetime of gaming or something. I was fortunate though because my parents didn't make a lot back then but they still managed to always get us the new console for christmas. From the first NES all the way to the original Xbox.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1972146)
That whole Pokemon thing happened a bit late for me. My younger brother was into it, but I grew up with He-Man and Ninja Turtles and Magic the Gathering instead.

I do like the idea of a turn based game in the style of these, so I don't know. Could be my type of thing. But really, so many of these video game classics entries presume you grew up with Nintendo, and I very much didn't.

Bruh Pokemon is amazing. RPGs are great but an RPG where you have literally hundreds of options to make a team while doubling as pets is ****ing crack.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1972147)
Solid lineup.

I think my first team was Venusaur, Dragonite, Alakazam (found a random person with a link cable), Raichu, Arcanine, and Gyarados, and that was the only team I ever went to level 100 with cause afterward I just wanted to restart constantly cause restarting Pokemon is one of life's great joys. And eventually after playing so many games I levitated to Pokemon with the highest stats and now that Fire Red team is my most nostalgic. I just wish I had two GBA's so I could get Alakazam and Scizzor. Scyther is great but definitely the weakest link in my team. Its just so ****ing cool though. Easily the coolest Pokemon of all-time.

Also Gyarados is the most overrated Pokemon ever. Yeah it's beast but it's a water type (a special attack-based type) with mediocre special attack but high regular attack even though it doesn't even have particularly good attack moves. That is stupid.

MicShazam 07-08-2018 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1972153)
Ah. Damn. I guess I just grew up in the primetime of gaming or something. I was fortunate though because my parents didn't make a lot back then but they still managed to always get us the new console for christmas. From the first NES all the way to the original Xbox.

My parents couldn't afford things like that, so I got an old, used Atari 2600 when I was 11-12 years old. I'm not old enough to have grown up with Atari, but it's my earliest gaming experiences, just because it was what they could find for me. Well that, and the Commodore 64 and Amiga 500 games I'd play at friend's places. These two girls we'd play with when my parents went to visit theirs had a Sega Master System. It was like some next level **** compared to those crummy old 80's machines I'd usually see.

Key 07-08-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972156)
Bruh Pokemon is amazing. RPGs are great but an RPG where you have literally hundreds of options to make a team while doubling as pets is ****ing crack.



I think my first team was Venusaur, Dragonite, Alakazam (found a random person with a link cable), Raichu, Arcanine, and Gyarados, and that was the only team I ever went to level 100 with cause afterward I just wanted to restart constantly cause restarting Pokemon is one of life's great joys. And eventually after playing so many games I levitated to Pokemon with the highest stats and now that Fire Red team is my most nostalgic. I just wish I had two GBA's so I could get Alakazam and Scizzor. Scyther is great but definitely the weakest link in my team. Its just so ****ing cool though. Easily the coolest Pokemon of all-time.

Also Gyarados is the most overrated Pokemon ever. Yeah it's beast but it's a water type (a special attack-based type) with mediocre special attack but high regular attack even though it doesn't even have particularly good attack moves. That is stupid.

Never liked Gyarados much since he was technicely a flying type and could get hit hard by almost anything. Lapras was a beast if you lvld it up and same with Tropius. I always enjoyed restarting pokemon games and going with pokemon I never usually go with. I ended up with a pretty beastly Gardevoir doing that. Had to farm for a Raltz tho and that took forever. I remember getting my Groudon to lvl 100 and stacked him with Eruption, Thunderbolt, Blizzard and Earthquake. Nothing could kill him.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 01:02 PM

Putting legendary Pokemon in your team is for noobs. ****ing loser tbh. And I never liked 1st tier type moves like Blizzard or Thunder that were OP but had decent chances to miss. I'd rather have a slightly weaker attack that is guaranteed to hit and doesn't make you hold your breath just before it hits or doesn't hit.

Ice Beam > Blizzard

Key 07-08-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972168)
Putting legendary Pokemon in your team is for noobs. ****ing loser tbh. And I never liked 1st tier type moves like Blizzard or Thunder that were OP but had decent chances to miss. I'd rather have a slightly weaker attack that is guaranteed to hit and doesn't make you hold your breath just before it hits or doesn't hit.

Ice Beam > Blizzard

I definitely agree. Groudon was one of the few exceptions because it was my first time playing through Ruby and I just loved how powerful he could be. Usually I stick to my starter and 5 others without legendaries. And sometimes I'll use an HM slave but that rarely happens.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 01:53 PM

I don't like HM slaves cause I want a six-Pokemon team. I'll go Cut-less or Flash-less if I have to. It's not like you actually need Flash anyway.

Key 07-08-2018 01:56 PM

Yeah plus you rarely ever need cut. Fly is probably the most useful one next to maybe surf or waterfall.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 02:00 PM

Nah Fly is by far the most useful. If you're training your Pokemon and doing random **** Fly is constantly used and Surf is only used when you're getting to some spot on the ocean that you can't get to with Fly. And how many times do you ever actually use Waterfall? It's the next gen Flash.

Key 07-08-2018 02:05 PM

It's used heavily in gen 3 from what I remember but otherwise not so much. Ok yeah you're right, fly is indeed most useful. Plus it doubles as a pretty strong flying attack. I loved having a pidgeot with fly.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 07-08-2018 03:18 PM

using legendary pokemon is definitely for noobs

the dumbest hm is a tie between waterfall and dive because like i already need surf stop making me have 3 hms for various water related activities

Key 07-08-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol’ Qwerty Bastard (Post 1972222)

the dumbest hm is a tie between waterfall and dive because like i already need surf stop making me have 3 hms for various water related activities

Yeah that's a really good point. They could have easily just kept it at Surf and added on different things you can do while Surfing instead of making them into more HM's.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 03:46 PM

I forget about Dive but Waterfall doesn't even do anything different as an attack. It's just a good water attack that doesn't do as much damage as surf. The only reason to have it for battles is if you're worried about running out of PP for the Elite Four when you're still in the 50-65 level area.

Key 07-08-2018 07:16 PM

Man I miss the grind that it took to get your pokemon to proper levels for the elite four in these games. The later games it got a bit easier but the elite four in these ones, especially the originals, we're hard as ****. Lance and Blue were both tough.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1972339)
Man I miss the grind that it took to get your pokemon to proper levels for the elite four in these games. The later games it got a bit easier but the elite four in these ones, especially the originals, we're hard as ****. Lance and Blue were both tough.

Blue? **** off it's Gary.

And the best grind is before Brock. If you torture yourself and get your Pokemon all to level 20 then god damn it the rest of the game basically plays itself if you level properly.

Key 07-08-2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972341)
Blue? **** off it's Gary.

I contemplated calling him Gary but my nerd card was on the line and I didn't want to disappoint you, master.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1972343)
I contemplated calling him Gary but my nerd card was on the line and I didn't want to disappoint you, master.

Nah **** that it's Gary. Who names their kid Blue? And you missed my edit...

And the best grind is before Brock. If you torture yourself and get your Pokemon all to level 20 then god damn it the rest of the game basically plays itself if you level properly.

Key 07-08-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972344)
Nah **** that it's Gary. Who names their kid Blue? And you missed my edit...

And the best grind is before Brock. If you torture yourself and get your Pokemon all to level 20 then god damn it the rest of the game basically plays itself if you level properly.

I always sort of felt that the grind before Brock was never as important so maybe that's why I always struggled. Though nothing is worse than trying to figure out what pokemon to use in Pokemon Yellow when you have to fight Brock and you start with a Pikachu whos only move is thundershock. I usually went with a weedle so I can poison.

The Batlord 07-08-2018 07:49 PM

Did they have Mankey early before Brock? I know it wasn't in Red and Blue but I don't remember if it was in Yellow. And if not then use Nidoran♂. It has Double Kick which is a fighting move which is strong against rock Pokemon. Or raise Caterpie to Butterfree so you can have Confusion. Psychic attacks are the great equalizer.

But that first grind is the most important. Not only does it prepare you for Brock but it sets the tone for how you'll play for the rest of the game, and if you're lazy with leveling at the beginning you'll be lazy for the rest of the game.

Key 07-08-2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972352)
Did they have Mankey early before Brock? I know it wasn't in Red and Blue but I don't remember if it was in Yellow. And if not then use Nidoran♂. It has Double Kick which is a fighting move which is strong against rock Pokemon. Or raise Caterpie to Butterfree so you can have Confusion. Psychic attacks are the great equalizer.

But that first grind is the most important. Not only does it prepare you for Brock but it sets the tone for how you'll play for the rest of the game, and if you're lazy with leveling at the beginning you'll be lazy for the rest of the game.

I think if I remember correctly you could get either a Weedle or Caterpie. Can't remember if Nidoran was there but it may have been. I just always used Kakuna when he learned Harden and mixed with Poison Sting, Brock goes down pretty easily. I did love having a Beedrill on my team for the first part of the game.

Now, in Gold version, my first playthrough consisted of Ampharos, and man, that is one strong electric type.

The Batlord 07-09-2018 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1972368)
I think if I remember correctly you could get either a Weedle or Caterpie. Can't remember if Nidoran was there but it may have been. I just always used Kakuna when he learned Harden and mixed with Poison Sting, Brock goes down pretty easily. I did love having a Beedrill on my team for the first part of the game.

Now, in Gold version, my first playthrough consisted of Ampharos, and man, that is one strong electric type.

Just checked and yeah Yellow had Mankey and both Nidorans just to the west of Veridian City. You ****ed up. Lol trying to fight rock Pokemon with a ****ing Kakuna. Noob.

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Pok%C3...Route_2_%26_22

Key 07-09-2018 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972390)
Just checked and yeah Yellow had Mankey and both Nidorans just to the west of Veridian City. You ****ed up. Lol trying to fight rock Pokemon with a ****ing Kakuna. Noob.

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Pok%C3...Route_2_%26_22

I wasn't nearly smart enough to look **** up back when I played through Pokemon Yellow, so fair enough.

YorkeDaddy 07-09-2018 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1972156)
Bruh Pokemon is amazing. RPGs are great but an RPG where you have literally hundreds of options to make a team while doubling as pets is ****ing crack.



I think my first team was Venusaur, Dragonite, Alakazam (found a random person with a link cable), Raichu, Arcanine, and Gyarados, and that was the only team I ever went to level 100 with cause afterward I just wanted to restart constantly cause restarting Pokemon is one of life's great joys. And eventually after playing so many games I levitated to Pokemon with the highest stats and now that Fire Red team is my most nostalgic. I just wish I had two GBA's so I could get Alakazam and Scizzor. Scyther is great but definitely the weakest link in my team. Its just so ****ing cool though. Easily the coolest Pokemon of all-time.

Also Gyarados is the most overrated Pokemon ever. Yeah it's beast but it's a water type (a special attack-based type) with mediocre special attack but high regular attack even though it doesn't even have particularly good attack moves. That is stupid.

In later generations they fixed the stupidity of all moves of one type being physical or special, which helped make Gyarados vastly better since Dragon Dance+Waterfall+Earthquake+Filler is a nasty sweeper set. Even today with like 800+ Pokemon to choose from Gyarados is a powerful option competitively in the OU tier (basically the standard tier for competitive play, google “Smogon”).

Competitive Pokemon is pretty cool, and we have battle simulators where you can make any perfectly trained team you want which is great because screw training a whole competitive team up to lv 100 with perfect EVs/IVs manually


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