but Oh that magic feeling...

cardboard adolescent · 03-20-2011, 08:54 PM

starrynight · 03-21-2011, 09:56 AM

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Some music will generate very pleasant feelings and other music will generate unpleasant feelings. Sometimes people enjoy music that causes unpleasant sensations because most people don't like it and they feel special in liking it. Most of the time people like music that makes them feel good. I think that's really all there is to it.

I think some may associate with some music as it may be thought cool and it puts them into a group, gives them a kind of social musical identity. But much of that is about image and hardly about the music anyway.

The main thing perhaps is to be engaged by the music on some level whether that be at a level of visceral physical enjoyment or one which is more for the contemplation of the mind. Either can give enjoyment, 'pleasant' sounds too subjective a term to use for music which can give these different kinds of pleasures.

VEGANGELICA · 03-21-2011, 05:27 PM

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The mind can’t read what the eyes can’t see, so where are these things coming from before they get here? A moment arrives it is coming and going, one foot in and one foot out, we’ll never find the border-line. We’re all on this merry merry-go-round and which one of us can imagine anything else? I think therefore I am not where I am, but where I am thinking, somewhere outside of myself. Thinking around myself, in the merry merry-go-round with its ups and downs and eventual nausea.

All the mind can know is what it has seen before and it will only lead us into echoes of the past.

Are you sure this is true, Cardboard Adolescent?

For example, physicists have gained insight into how the universe works, learning that its nature is not what people had imagined (space as curved; light having particle and wave features simultaneously; an ever-expanding universe; the uncertainty in where particles go apparently being affected by whether there is an observer or not, which I don't get at all).

I think the wonder of the mind/brain is that it *can* conceive of 'things' it has never directly experienced...although I agree how our mind functions is limited by the 'meat' that is us. I will probably never perceive the universe as does a cat's or bird's mind, for example, and I can't make myself remember every moment (although some people can). So, I agree that the mind is definitely limited.

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Really into Cat Stevens at the moment. What is there to say? Beautiful vocals and lyrics, and I love how fast and dynamic the piano is while still feeling totally tranquil and effortless.

That is one of his lovelier songs, I agree. Here's my favorite Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) song, and I think you may like it since you are so often of a philosophical, spiritual mindset. How do you feel about this song?

Yusuf Islam - 'The Wind'

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I actually want to retract that post completely. I think there is a direct correlation between sound and sensation, which is partly mental and partly physical. In part you're responding to the social (ego) constructs which categorize certain melodies as sentimental and others as profound, etc. but you're also responding to the sensation that specific sound vibrations cause in your body. Some music will generate very pleasant feelings and other music will generate unpleasant feelings. Sometimes people enjoy music that causes unpleasant sensations because most people don't like it and they feel special in liking it. Most of the time people like music that makes them feel good. I think that's really all there is to it.

This reminds me of something I wrote recently on MB about music: whether or not we like a song may sometimes be as simple as whether or not we like the stinky smell of Liederkranz cheese, which I don't. Why don't I like Liederkranz cheese? Because I don't like how it smells. Why? Because I don't like how it smells!"

cardboard adolescent · 03-21-2011, 08:30 PM

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Are you sure this is true, Cardboard Adolescent?

For example, physicists have gained insight into how the universe works, learning that its nature is not what people had imagined (space as curved; light having particle and wave features simultaneously; an ever-expanding universe; the uncertainty in where particles go apparently being affected by whether there is an observer or not, which I don't get at all).

I think the wonder of the mind/brain is that it *can* conceive of 'things' it has never directly experienced...although I agree how our mind functions is limited by the 'meat' that is us. I will probably never perceive the universe as does a cat's or bird's mind, for example, and I can't make myself remember every moment (although some people can). So, I agree that the mind is definitely limited.

These insights of the curvature of space-time and the wave/particle duality of all things are still only intellectual. They are words on a piece of paper. Have these scientists actually experienced wave/particle duality? Have they experienced the relativity of time and space? All they've experienced is what they've known before--an idea arises, excitement arises, one shares the idea with others, others either embrace the idea and pleasure arises or others reject the idea and disappointment arises. Why are these ideas important? What new experience do they give us?

The mind can't really conceive of things it hasn't experienced, which is precisely why these ideas are so mysterious. They stand for things we haven't experienced. They show us the unexplored realms of the universe into which our mind has not yet delved.

The insight is merely intellectual, it is not yet experiential. Until it is experiential, the mind hasn't made any real progress.

starrynight · 03-22-2011, 10:29 AM

Well the mind is limited by it's own experiences no doubt, but we can also have our minds potentially expanded by looking at the experiences of others through texts or other mediums. Our interpretations of such things may be limited by our own experience or predelictions but it can at least be challenged.

And with senses scientists say that senses are connected. So if we like the taste of something it isn't actually just the taste that makes it taste nice it's other factors like the feel of the food, how it looks etc. The senses operate in a complex way with the brain.

cardboard adolescent · 03-22-2011, 09:53 PM

Mmm absolutely. The mind can definitely receive inspiration through openness. And the operation of the senses must be very very complex. Good points.

cardboard adolescent · 06-23-2011, 02:02 PM

Proof of the existence of gnomes!

cardboard adolescent · 06-24-2011, 12:01 AM

so unspeakably beautiful

and why not

cardboard adolescent · 06-25-2011, 12:13 AM

<3

from the film, om shanti om

cardboard adolescent · 07-27-2011, 01:35 PM

hahahahaha

Mother Ganja by hanuman taco on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

do listen. i had a lot of fun.

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starrynight Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 937	Well the mind is limited by it's own experiences no doubt, but we can also have our minds potentially expanded by looking at the experiences of others through texts or other mediums. Our interpretations of such things may be limited by our own experience or predelictions but it can at least be challenged. And with senses scientists say that senses are connected. So if we like the taste of something it isn't actually just the taste that makes it taste nice it's other factors like the feel of the food, how it looks etc. The senses operate in a complex way with the brain.

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Mmm absolutely. The mind can definitely receive inspiration through openness. And the operation of the senses must be very very complex. Good points.

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