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Unknown Soldier 06-24-2015 10:07 AM

Well here's a double header for you?

Electro V Shocker

and a big league one in:

Doctor Doom V Magneto

The Batlord 06-26-2015 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1605583)
Well here's a double header for you?

Electro V Shocker

I might have to give the win to Electro.

Both seem to have about equal strength energy blasts, but Shocker's insulated suit could probably take a large amount of Electro's electric shocks. With enough electrical power to drawn upon however, Electro's power could increase to a level that might nullify this advantage, but that is only theoretical, and would be entirely situational. Without that advantage, it could be a crap shoot, but since we're assuming they'd be fighting in New York City, it would be unlikely that he wouldn't have that environment.

Electro also has the benefit of being able to travel along electrical wires, giving him far greater mobility than Shocker, but again, that would be situational.

As far as hand-to-hand combat, Electro would probably still have the advantage. His supercharged body gives him super strength, but Shocker's blasts give him a punch that is "a dozen times more potent than normal". However, that would only apply to a punch, whereas Electro's strength could be used with much more versatility.

So, Electro FTW.

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and a big league one in:

Doctor Doom V Magneto
Oh, that's a toughy. I honestly don't think I can answer this one.

It seems like an easy answer that Magneto could just crush Doom with his own suit, but I seem to remember a debate on this issue that revealed that they had actually fought before, and that Doom's suit was immune to magnetism, so Magneto would only be able to use indirect attacks (though considering he could just drop a battleship on Doom, that's far from a crippling disadvantage).

I don't know if Doom's robots are also immune to magnetism, but even if they aren't, they could still be useful as a distraction.

In hand-to-hand combat, Doom would seem to have the edge, since his suit grants him far greater durability and strength than Magneto, who has no armor of his own, though I imagine that he could possibly create a makeshift suit with his magnetic powers, and could also use his powers to grant this theoretical suit equal or even far greater strength than Doom's own. All theoretical of course, but if so, then Magneto might actually be able to wipe the floor with Doom at close range. (And on the topic of Doom's suit, I'd imagine that its energy blasts would be nullified by Magneto's ability to create force fields.)

The x-factor (pun intended) though, is Doom's magical abilities, and I'm not really familiar with the extent of his powers, so I could only guess how useful they would be. But considering that he's been taught by Dr. Strange and Morgan le Fay, I have to assume that his magical abilities are considerable, though I can't say with any certainty how they would match up against Magneto's own powers.

Assuming that they would normally fight each other to a standstill, those Doombots could again prove a vital distraction, but as Magneto is a wily sumbitch, that advantage might not be decisive.

The battle would also be heavily situational for Magneto, as the amount of metal in the vicinity would be key. If the ground were metal, then he could simply drop Doom to the ground, hurl him into the air, or even completely entrap him. With enough metal lying around, and considering Magneto's power level, he could have a potentially unlimited supply of projectiles to boot. But in a metal poor environment, Magneto would be severely hampered in his possible methods of attack.

Really though, without knowing about Doom's specific magical capabilities, or their power level, I can't be confident in any decision, so I'm going to have to abstain from a final verdict. I'd be rooting for Magneto though, cause X-Men > Fantastic Four.

Oriphiel 06-26-2015 03:37 PM

How about She Hulk versus the regular Hulk? :laughing:

The Batlord 06-26-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1606877)
How about She Hulk versus the regular Hulk? :laughing:

It's generally known that the Hulk is physically superior to She-Hulk, so in a straight fight, I imagine he'd trash her. She's not a mindless smashing machine though, and is very intelligent, so she could potentially outsmart him, especially since she's his cousin and may very well be able to calm him down back to Bruce Banner.

Still, the Hulk is pretty much on par with Superman as far as being indestructible goes, so I'd probably have to give it to him unless she could pull a rabbit out of her ass.

If we're talking about Ultimate universe Hulk though, then outsmarting him might just take She-Hulk flashing her tits, so the brains advantage would be even more in her favor (If Ultimate universe Hulk is perfectly happy to engage in murder, rape, and cannibalism, then I imagine incest wouldn't faze him.) And if she's willing to "go all the way", then her "endurance" would probably calm him down back to Bruce Banner.

Unknown Soldier 06-26-2015 04:25 PM

Hell I was just expecting a few lines on these and not a ****ing thesis :laughing:

I agree that it's almost impossible to call between Magneto and DD and agree X-Men is superior to F4 as a comic. F4 gets all it's love as it was the flagship comic when Marvel started and it had a lot of great issues before it went of the boil especially when Stan Lee stopped writing on it.

Oriphiel 06-26-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1606900)
It's generally known that the Hulk is physically superior to She-Hulk, so in a straight fight, I imagine he'd trash her. She's not a mindless smashing machine though, and is very intelligent, so she could potentially outsmart him, especially since she's his cousin and may very well be able to calm him down back to Bruce Banner.

Still, the Hulk is pretty much on par with Superman as far as being indestructible goes, so I'd probably have to give it to him unless she could pull a rabbit out of her ass.

If we're talking about Ultimate universe Hulk though, then outsmarting him might just take She-Hulk flashing her tits, so the brains advantage would be even more in her favor (If Ultimate universe Hulk is perfectly happy to engage in murder, rape, and cannibalism, then I imagine incest wouldn't faze him.) And if she's willing to "go all the way", then her "endurance" would probably calm him down back to Bruce Banner.

That's exactly what I thought; that the Hulk would just completely blitz through her unless she could outsmart him. But I did some digging (I have way too much time on my hands right now), and now i'm not so sure. According to this (Strength Scale - Marvel Comics Database), they both have the ability to lift over 150 tons, and get stronger as their anger increases, with the Hulk generally accepted to be a bit stronger by default. But according to this (She-Hulk (Character) - Comic Vine), She Hulk's powers aren't completely limited by anger like the Hulk's powers are. The more she trains and exercises outside of combat, the more her strength increases.

Since she gets practice all the time (by fighting such villains as the heinous toad-men :laughing:), she might very well be just as strong as the Hulk by now, or maybe even stronger (I mean, she has overpowered the likes of Hercules in the past, who is supposedly one of the strongest characters in the universe). Also, apparently she has the ability to swap powers with someone ("The Ovoid Mind Switch"). So even if the Hulk was stronger, she could theoretically steal his strength and use it against him. But in the end, I think you're right in leaning towards the Hulk, because She Hulk's possible advantages are all based on ifs (if she could exercise before the fight, if her mind swap would work on another hulk, if she could use her intelligence to trick him, etc.), while the Hulk's main advantage is very clear and apparent (by default he's technically stronger than her).

The Batlord 06-26-2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1606921)
That's exactly what I thought; that the Hulk would just completely blitz through her unless she could outsmart him. But I did some digging (I have way too much time on my hands right now), and now i'm not so sure. According to this (Strength Scale - Marvel Comics Database), they both have the ability to lift over 150 tons, and get stronger as their anger increases, with the Hulk generally accepted to be a bit stronger by default. But according to this (She-Hulk (Character) - Comic Vine), She Hulk's powers aren't completely limited by anger like the Hulk's powers are. The more she trains and exercises outside of combat, the more her strength increases.

Since she gets practice all the time (by fighting such villains as the heinous toad-men :laughing:), she might very well be just as strong as the Hulk by now, or maybe even stronger (I mean, she has overpowered the likes of Hercules in the past, who is supposedly one of the strongest characters in the universe). Also, apparently she has the ability to swap powers with someone ("The Ovoid Mind Switch"). So even if the Hulk was stronger, she could theoretically steal his strength and use it against him. But in the end, I think you're right in leaning towards the Hulk, because She Hulk's possible advantages are all based on ifs (if she could exercise before the fight, if her mind swap would work on another hulk, if she could use her intelligence to trick him, etc.), while the Hulk's main advantage is very clear and apparent (by default he's technically stronger than her).

I'd also add in the Hulk's favor that, even if it does impede his ability to think, his battle rage would make him a far more tenacious opponent than She-Hulk. She'd pretty much be on the defensive the entire time, and would have to get some distance in order to come up with a plan. And since the Hulk is stronger, which means his legs as well, and therefore his speed, then it's questionable that she would be able to put any distance between them.

I do like the idea of her being able to increase her strength though. I'd be totally rooting for her.

P.S. I see you neglected to comment on my Ultimate universe scenario. Incest is the the most taboo of secret weapons, but should not be underestimated. :pimp:

Black Francis 06-28-2015 08:10 AM

How bout Dr Fate Vs Martian Manhunter?

The Batlord 06-28-2015 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1607556)
How bout Dr Fate Vs Martian Manhunter?

Martians are weak to fire. Dr. Strange can summon fire. NEXT!!!

Oriphiel 06-28-2015 10:03 AM

How about a motorcycle race between Black Canary and Ghost Rider? :laughing:


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