No, you don't.

I don't really care I'm not defending RATM

And Oomph isn't promoting an image, nor are they promoting a cause or political movement. They are creating thier music completely with artistic integrity and genuity. There is nothing misleading about thier music people don't listen to 'Oomph' to symbolize a political cause or some image, people listen to oomph because they ENJOY THIER MUSIC.

Want to know how I found Oomph? A few years ago I was about 13, I just started listening to Metal. I was on wikipedia looking at different bands, I started with Metallica, at some point I found a NIN song on limewire that I liked but it was actually a mislabeled Rammstein song. So I liked this 'industrial metal' stuff and looked up rammstein on wiki, it said somewhere on thier page that one of thier biggest inspirations was 'oomph', so I downloaded a few of thier songs and fell in love with them.

I didn't fall in love with an image, a political badge or whatever, I just onestly love thier music.

Oomph isn't 'anti-corporate', anti-corporate is a political badge, Oomph has nothing of the sort. They aren't pro-corporate, anti-corporate, they are purely artistic expression.

I might have (see above)

That doesn't mean the band is a sell out, you are essentially implying that there is no such thing as a band that isn't corporate sell out, except bands I've never heard of. You don't think any moderately popular bands aren't sell outs just because they are signed to a record label?

:laughing: Is that why you've constantly been trying to make them out to be some anti-corporation band with all your arguments against them being on a giant label and selling their own brand of pens?

There is a huge difference between 'anti-corporate' and 'not-corporate', if you don't understand the difference than I would suggest familiarizing yourself with some common prefix meanings.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Perfect. Just like people (in the main) who listen to pop music listen because, guess what, THEY ENJOY THEIR MUSIC! Not to symbolize a political cause or some image, but because it's enjoyable to them. It resonates with them. Get it? :crazy:

They've been on SONY and EMI and have their own pens and lighters. How are they not corporate?

they aren't compromising thier music/ watering it down to fit some image or market or political ideology (or what have you).

Pens and key chains are independent of thier music, you can sell an Oomph shirt regardless of what they sound like, they don't need to compromise thier music to sell trinkets, in order to get on MTV, Kidz bop, commercials, mass sold ring tones, etc, they would need to actually compromise the sound of thier music, the product itself.

Most commercialized pop acts don't "compromise" or "water down" their music either. The music they put out is about as good as they're capable of writing and more importantly is the music they want to write.

Compromising your music is only relevant to a band who are making say non-commercial music, and THEN subsequently watering down the sound in order to conform to their label. Note: this does NOT apply in the case of the majority of pop acts who have always been commercial in their intentions all along.

Furthermore: there's nothing wrong with trying to write catchy commercially viable music. It's a style. It's a format. It could be good, it could be absolutely appalling. But inherently, it's no less worthy as music than the rubbish that your darlings Oomph put out.

They listen to watered down, plastic garbage, they don't like the music they like the image, they like how it makes them appear. Pop musicians (for the most part, especialy contemporary pop musicians) are not selling music that they invested passion and expression into, they have catchy little jingles.

The media tells these people what music to listen to, society tells these people what to listen to, it's the only thing they are exposed to. I don't listen to music to appear as something, to fit an image or to conform (not even to conform with the anti-conformists), the media doesn't tell me what to listen to.

Yeah, that's why thier music is chopped up by some 40 year old producer, that's why music 'videos' are more importaint to them then the music itself, that's why you don't see very many ugly pop musicians.

The fact that they were always in that state of being commercial doesn't excuse them or make anything better.

There is something wrong with it being passed as real music, it robs people of thier experience, and more over it promotes sheep mentallity and followers while discouraging individualism and critical thought. This type of music exists to exploit people and put blinders on them, that's what the corporate world is ALL about, not just in music. They want a bunch of obedient laborers who are just smart enough to pull levers and push buttons, but just stupid enough to be exploited by abusing wadge and watering down thier pathetic lives with plastic, manufactured bull shit that makes them feel contempt with thier miserable, repeatative lives.

I guarantee that this arguments not going anywhere...

That it's plastic garbage is your worthless opinion; that they like it because of how it makes them appear is a baseless accusation rooted in very little genuine reality at all.

So what? Is there something wrong with that? That's one possibility for what you can do with sound and it resonates with the majority of people.

Are you feeling alright? THEY'RE NOT DEDICATED MUSIC FANS! What part of that do you NOT understand? Most people listen to music to fit a certain mood, situation or occasion. They have no interest in music beyond that. Get a blinkin' clue. Since they have no interest in music beyond that, it's perfectly alright that they get what they DO listen to from what is provided by being immersed in society and popular culture.

Seriously, grow the hell up. Your tastes are no better than anybody else's. There's probably more talent in your standard run-of-the-mill pop like Akon or whatever than there is in your useless Oomph and extreme metal rubbish. Go GET a clue, mate.