Forget what people say, Michael Jackson has some very good songs under his belt. He's had an amazing career. Sometimes people forget that. He's very talented. I just wish all this mess never surfaced about him and w/e he's accused of doing. I am not saying he did or didn't do the things he's been accused of, I'm just saying that no matter how bad it is, I don't think we should ignore his musical ability. I don't think we'll ever know. No one except for him. But I honestly hope he really didn't do those things.

You can't have a Michael Jackson thread without the "He's a musical genius" comment.

maybe if it were your kids being stroked in the bed by this genius you would feel differently? there will always be 3 versions of Michael... the talented kid, the talented pop star and the weirdo accused of molestation. It's hard for most people to look past the latter... understandable. If he was out making hit records and giving the public what they love about him, maybe over time people would just get over it? something tells me the 80's pop star has left his best work to the world already and... that's all folks.

Performance genius maybe.

The music genius was Quincy Jones.

Good point.

I remember been home in Dublin in the eighties when jacko was touring with BAD and I swear EVERYONE was talking about him. Even old paddies on the bus were talking about him.
Everyone was just Jacko mad.
Like nothing you can imagine.
Kids women old drunkards even my uncle paddy in his local.
I don't reckon he is guilty at all.
No evidence at all except money grabbing people with allegations.
With parents like that wouldn't you think they'd have collected evidence?
But none at all just rumour to get money.
He spent his time making sick kids happy and if you are one of the most famous people who has ever lived you may be a bit odd to the ordinary man but didn't Lennon think he was Jesus?
Didn't Diana think she was queen of hearts and go a bit weird by the standards of the factory pie maker?
He visited sick kids in hospitals and took them on trips and all he got for it was money grabbing parents with not a shred of real evidence just a smear.
They were taking all the evidence they could for years and still had none.
He just feels like a kid as he has had a different life and hundreds of dying kids got to live like kings for a while and then some greedy bastards try to swindle him with lies.
I also think that he was found not guilty so why still smear him?
They shot Lennon and killed Diana.
That is the price for been that huge.
Still I remeber watching Thriller and going "that aint bloody scary, I'm going to bed now and that aint scary" ah ha ha.
The Omen, now that was scary.
He is moving to Devon now you know.
I can't wait to see him getting a chinese take away in totness!

OJ was found innocent... guess he didn't do it. Michael Jackson settling out of court didn't paint him as innocent, it also doesn't take much to see something is OFF with him in the sex department. Beyond the point of just being shy, he has needs like any other human. His ranch was searched and child erotica was found... hmm, maybe he's not jerking off Jordy but he obviously has a thing for naked children. Add him telling Martin Bashere that sleeping in the same bed as children (that aren't his) is a natural, fun thing and it's not hard to connect the dots. Either he is innocent and trying REALLY hard to seem guilty or he had a very good reason to pay those kids off so they would shut up. Either way... he should stay the **** away from children when other people aren't around to observe what he is doing. Donate to charities, help sick kids.. all that is wonderful, but STOP with the sleep overs Michael.

I know, I know... but he wrote Thriller.

I never heard about erotic stuff been found.
That is a crime in itself but I never heard that anywhere except from yourself.
I am suprised they didn't go to court with that if it was true as it is an offence.
I am shocked they didn't go to court if that was true as that is a serious offence.
I am also suprised they never broadcast that about that type of material.
Adult porn is okay but not that.
I am also suprised that money was involved if his victims wanted justice.
OJ is another matter.
You can't compare OJ to this case.
Why was money so important and not just inprisonment?

Here's the article.

Below are the important bits.

you're right... why would the victims even take the pay out? but just as easily you can also ask yourself, why would the accused offer a pay out? It's similar to OJ in the sense he was found innocent YET the air still stinks of his guilt... if he in fact did molest those children then it's not so different from murdering somebody physically (as OJ was accused of). If he didn't molest those kids then hopefully he never finds himself in a position where he is an easy target again... it's easy, throw out the kiddie porn and stop having sleep overs.

I agree.
He is screwed up.
Nough said.
I never heard that before.
Weird bloke he is.
back to blur versus oasis now

or Off The Wall vs. Thriller ;)

Thriller by a country house mile!

For me it's a close one... Thriller wins but Off the wall comes damn close.

I agree some what with what you said but comparing the OJ simpson case to the Michael Jackson case is like trying to compare Michael Jackson with Prince? there is just no comparision. They were two completely different cases and circumstances. If you watched the Michael Jackson case closely like I did, you would see that case was a big media hype all about money. That man didn't do anything and they couldn't prove anything thats why he was acquited. I'm tired of people that think just because celebrities get accused of something that automatically means they did it or they can buy their way out. Maybe if people stop believing the hype and exactly look at the cases they can open their brain for the reality of what it really is and not what the media says. The mother lied on the stand, the accuser lied and even admitted to lieing on the stand. It was a huge mess and the only thing that came out of the case was another smear on Michael's name and another distraction to take away from his music.

and as for the "child erotica" found on his ranch :
Michael lived in a big ass ranch and I wouldn't be surprise if they found a dead body there and he didn't know about it. See... people need to realize its not Michael Jackson its the PEOPLE he surrounds himself with.
The ranch was open for other people Michael was not the only person living on that ranch. There could have been other people in possession of that and like Michael said, there are millions and millions of people constantly sending him things and mail. It all goes to the ranch so to sit here and say just because that was found on the ranch, his guilty? thats ludacris because it doesnt prove anything or that its HIS just because it was on his ranch.

I agree that Michael should not sleep with kids not because his a child molester BUT to protect him from being used again and causing another false accusation. Michael has spent his entire life giving back to kids, people and charities. Michael has been singing and performing since he was five so I can understand why he does some of the things he does and why he has turned out into the man he is today. He had a wacked childhood and a very disfuctional upbringing so of course that is going to affect him as a man and the decisions he makes. People should not judge him because of that because we have not been where his been mentally or experience the things he has. People need to just get off his nut and enjoy his talent.

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I didn't feel like looking for the quote but on the songwriting bit:


Michael wrote just about ALL the songs on all his albums up until "Invincible"
On "Invincible" Michael help co- wrote every song except for "Butterflies" that was writen by Marsha Ambrosius from neo soul group "Floetry" and "Cry" by R.Kelly. Michael wrote "Speechless" and "The Lost Children" by his self on Invincible. So even on Invincible he still played a significant part in the song writing but I agree with what most have said with Invincible being his weakest album because it was BUT Invincible is STILL a descent album and is not nearly as bad as critics make it to be.
Also, Michael plays a multiple of instruments as well. Michael is extremely talented and has been in the game all his life. He can make a comeback, all he needs to do is stay true to his art and focus on his music AND people should also focus on his music instead of ish that is none of their business....

:hphones: Michael Jackson's Liberian Girl

I downloaded Thriller and I was pretty dissapointed. The middle trio of Thriller, Beat It and Billie Jean are great songs, but the rest feel pretty lacklustre and low on energy.

well if you looked closely at my prior post (not the one you quoted) you would see I was comparing him to OJ in the sense Michael was found innocent yet people still question his guilt. Also, I mentioned IF Michael molested those kids it's not THAT different from physically killing somebody as that pain and confusion of being molested has the potential to KILL a child's spirit and soul (with or w/out years of proper counseling). I also admitted to being wrong about his writing credits on Invincible... honestly the album sucked, you being a HUGE fan of his enjoyed it and that's wonderful. Me being a fan of GOOD Michael Jackson songs, thought it was an insult and a waste of vital resources. I'm a firm believer of the phrase... if it smells like ****, it's probably ****. I gave Michael the benefit of the doubt back in 1993, he very well may be innocent but I, personally, think he very well may be guilty.

As far as ignoring all the personal **** and worrying more about his music, if he started putting out some good music perhaps that would be possible. And who the hell knows (or cares) HOW the erotica book got there? you can come up with thousands of ways to say Michael himself didn't buy the book or personally place it on his own bookshelf but that doesn't prove to me that he didn't want it on his bookshelf, in his home. He got off and has his freedom... he will NEVER shed his possible molester cloak as long as he lives, 10+ years of being accused of touching kids kind of does that to a person of his stature.

I am a huge fan and also a fan of "good michael jackson music" but I'm realistic and even admited that Invincible was his weakest album BUT that being said their were some "descent" tracks on there that were underrated. Just because its not Michael Jackson's BEST doesn't mean the ENTIRE album sucked because the entire album did not suck..... But OVERALL that mess was far from what Michael is known for and is capable of doing which I do agree.

You can feel however you want to feel about MJ thats ur opinion. I just can't stand people who judge people they don't even know this isn't towards you just in general. The man was proven innocent in a court of law but hey you can feel how you want to feel but it doesn' t change he was found innocent and that he IS innocent.


Your right nobody cares about the erotica book crap, you brought it up, I was just challenging it. Michael has put out plenty of good music BEFORE Invincible the thing about MJ is his controversial life style, scandles,persona, rumors etc has overshadowed his music. Your right, Michael will always have the child scandal smeared on his image no matter how good the music he makes is but thats obvious... Over the last 20 years of his career his image and music career has been full of speculation/ controversy so that isn't new BUT Michael has still been successful through it all.

Since everyone seems to have forgotten, Jackson has been accused multiple times and settled out of court the first time. I'm not calling him guilty, but c'mon, you can't say that he's what you'd call clean.

"Wow, there's a plastic couple to rival Barbie & Ken and the bride and groom figures on the top of wedding cakes."

That's seriously funny and tragically true at the same time.

Invincible was a bad MJ album... as an album alone it wasn't terrible and yes, there were a few decent songs on their which I actually listened to last night while I was working out (unfortunately BAD came on as well and I started to feel like I was full of myself.) Anyway I think you aren't fully comprehending my posts... I never said WHO CARES about the erotica book, I was responding to your posts of you saying it may not have been Michael who purchased and/or placed the book on the shelf. I was saying WHO CARES who put it there... the fact is, it was there. Also, you are obviously a die hard MJ fan to the end because being found innocent in a court of law can be as convincing as a g*y man being married to a straight woman, not everything is as it seems all the time. Go ask the hundreds of men waiting on death row who may not be guilty.

I truly enjoy pre 1993 MJ... I was pissed off when all this **** started surfacing.
Lyrics like "Beat It", "I'm Bad", "Your butt is mine", "P.Y.T", "Smooth Criminal", "Keep it in the closet", "Dangerous" just don't have the same magic to them after all these allegations ;)

These kids are on to something, MJ definitely had a hand in it :)

"This time the kids undress Michael"

great artist!
too bad he got white...

Rights. Who cares if he fiddled kids, look at his FACE! It's an outrage that someone would want to change themselves to such a degree.

He had acne, a big nose and vitiligo... the natural thing to do is become a scary looking white woman.

lol I am and I do agree that just because you are found innocent in a court of law doesn't necessarily mean you are innocent BUT in Michael Jackson's case, people are so quick to judge him and make their own assement about what they really think happened when they don't know a damn thing. If people exactly followed the trial INSTEAD of what the media said and all these fake ass experts that don't know what their talking about maybe they would have a different opinion. All I'm basically saying is when it comes down to Michael Jackson people judge him because of all the ish his been through over the years and the controversy. That IS understandable but how can you judge somebody you don't even know? The same thing applies with the case. People weren't there when it happened so how can they say he did something when they don't even know or have evidence? They look at Michael and just assume that EVERYTHING folks say about him is true which is sad but that is what it has came down to because of the controversy. Michael is talented and makes great music thats all that matters period but I feel you and respect how you feel. I just focus on the music all that other mess doesn't matter.

So in other words people can do what they like on condition they make a few tunes you like :rolleyes:

this can go in circles all day... how can you say he's innocent? you don't really know him, right? ;)

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter what any of us think... the man is free, if he puts out an album I'll check it out. If I think it could have been better, I'll voice my opinion about it. If another kid comes forward and says Michael touched me... I'll think "not again!!!".

Thats more or less my opinion. Maybe not in those words exactly but this debate about MJ and whether or not he molested kids just bores the crap out of me now. I don't see anything wrong with taking the opinion that whether hes guilty or not he used to make great music. That music doesnt suddenly become **** if hes a despicable human being.

Where are you reading these things? are you in an alternative Michael Jackson thread that nobody else knows about? who ever said his past work sucks now because he was accused of stroking little penis? also, If the debate bores you... why engage in it? For the record... MJ is an extremely talented man who kicked ass in the 60's/70's/80's and part of the 90's. His reputation as a human being was tarnished... his reputation as a musician still stands as a positive but if the man doesn't put out anything worth listening to soon people will wonder if he still has it.

Touchy, much?

So your point is that MJ is a talented musician with a tarnished reputation but that as of this moment in time his reputation as a musician still stands despite it? Funny, I'm sure thats what I just said.

Also I'd like to point out that no one here said his previous work sucked because of what hes been accused of. Nor did I suggest that they did. Thats a presumption you made and then slated me for. This thread and the people in it arent the only people to have this same discussion, you know? "This" Michael Jackson debate does not mean the MB Michael Jackson debate.

yes.
his reputation as a man who created a lot of memorable music in his lifetime still stands... his last release not so much, and his future releases will determine whether or not he is capable of making "memorable" music again.
oh no? why did you say this then...Just going by what you said... perhaps I misunderstood?I guess.

How can you assume his guilty? the same thing applies... I BELIVE his innocent based on exactly following the trial. There was no evidence to prove that he did do what he was accused of doing BUT like you said nobody knows.

You are right.

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Also I'd like to point out that no one here said his previous work sucked because of what hes been accused of. Nor did I suggest that they did.

oh no? why did you say this then...
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That music doesnt suddenly become **** if hes a despicable human being.
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Because thats my opinion. I didnt quote anything written in this thread to come to that opinion though.

I was wrong.

I love Jackson. he has very good voice. I love his songs Billie Jean and Man in The mirror. He is good dancer. I was reading that he is the best selling artist of all time.

Michael Jackson rocks. I don't normally listen to pop music but he is a fantastic entertainer.

MJ: BAD ASS MOFO!!! I don't care what he's supposedly done, and how "wacko" he is...he's still a bad mamajama. Thriller/Bad/Dangerous are the ****!!!

Michael Jackson is a genius. If you don't start bobbing your head when listening to Billie Jean then there's something wrong with you...or you're just scared to because of the child molestation charges against him.

There is definitely something wrong with me. Billie Jean doesnt hold a candle to many Funk rock workouts from the 70's. I think that Chic's 'Good Times' is infinitely better.

Michael Jackson is a good singer and certified pop idol:usehead:

Michael Jackson- Billie Jean 30th anniversary 2001


Ben- Michael Jackson (old school J5 days) 1972


Michael Jackson- Man in the Mirror Grammys 1988