K Pop

K Addict · 09-27-2022, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SGR

I gotta say, that's actually a really catchy song. For some reason though, the hook really reminds me of "Bang, Bang" - what do you think K Addict? Am I completely off the mark?

They're not the same or anything, I think it's the progression...

I'm not well versed in K Pop, but given that I liked that song, are there any other K Pop artists/songs you'd recommend to a newcomer?

Ok, For me I'd place Red Velvet at the top followed by Loona, Dream Catcher, Gfriend/Viviz, WJSN (Cosmic Girls), (G)-IDLE, Aespa, Itzy, Everglow and GWSN (Girls in the Park).
I could go on.

SGR · 09-27-2022, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by K Addict

Ok, For me I'd place Red Velvet at the top followed by Loona, Dream Catcher, Gfriend/Viviz, WJSN (Cosmic Girls), (G)-IDLE, Aespa, Itzy, Everglow and GWSN (Girls in the Park).
I could go on.

Hey thanks!! I'll check 'em out.

You're from Wales, right? How'd you get into K Pop anyway? Assuming you are from Wales, you wouldn't happen to be a Manic Street Preachers fan, would you?

K Addict · 09-29-2022, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SGR

Hey thanks!! I'll check 'em out.

You're from Wales, right? How'd you get into K Pop anyway? Assuming you are from Wales, you wouldn't happen to be a Manic Street Preachers fan, would you?

I was on holiday and happened to be in a department store, I noticed a MV on one of the store's TVs. I asked the assistant who they are he just said that they are Korean.
A year later I was asked by someone if I had heard of the Korean guy who had made a MV in which he is doing a funny dance. They told me that this guy was becoming really popular. I had not seen the MV or heard the song and so I was dismissive of this person's recommendation. But they insisted that I really should see it. So when I got home I searched YT and found it. After watching it (Gangnam
Style), I noticed the thumbnails of MVs from a group called Girls' Generation and recognised one of their MVs (Genie, Japanese version) from the previous year when I was in the department store. After watching Girls Generation I clicked on other groups like Fx and that's how I got into Kpop.

Yes I'm from Wales. I'm not a Maniac Street Preachers fan.

rubber soul · 09-27-2022, 06:41 AM

And the plot thickens...

Trollheart · 09-27-2022, 07:17 AM

Suppose it's better than the thicks plottin'...

ChefBrunch · 09-27-2022, 05:47 PM

]I'm a big LOONA fan, I like the ones suggested also, plus some really good independents.

never heard of someone starting on the LOONA path and not getting hooked, they have a huge and varied catalog already.

this one reminds me of 90s TLC

Plankton · 09-29-2022, 07:11 AM

...able to hide behind tall couches.

Look! Up in the sky!

It's a mosquito!

It's a gnat!

It's... Ori!

Trollheart · 09-29-2022, 08:16 AM

Message for K-Addict and ChefBrunch (and anyone else interested): if you look back a few pages you'll see I wrote a major article some years ago on the subject of boybands, as part of a series called "Stranger in a Strange Land", the idea being for me to investigate music I was not familiar with. I'm now considering if I should do this with K-pop.

The idea is, as it was then, to break the genre up into its various periods (for boybands I had three: original ones such as New Edition, New Kids on the Block etc, boybands at their height (Backstreet Boys, Nsync etc) and "new" bands such as The Wanted and Westlife) and take up to four albums from each, to see what differences, if any, there were, both between the bands and between the periods.

The article was written, as you'll see if you look back, as a sort of travelogue, with lots of my usual writing drivel between reviews, and at the end I gave my conclusions.

Now I never was any sort of expert on boybands, but I had a vague idea through their music more or less seeping into me by osmosis through things like the radio and shows like American Idol and The X Factor, but other than the handful of albums I skimmed for my thread mentioned elsewhere, I know little to nothing of K-pop.

This is where I need your help, guys. Is, as I assume it is, the genre restricted entirely to South Korea, or is it practiced outside of that country's borders? Are there periods/styles/variations I should examine? Which bands are good (iyo) and which are bad? I prefer to feature both, so as to get a balanced review. What do I need to know that I don't know about K-pop, apart from everything?

If you're willing to help, offer advice, recommendations, sources, great. If you want to collaborate that's fine too. If you want to tell me where to stick it, well, I've struggled on before without any help from anyone so I won't be insulted and I won't be discouraged. But I would prefer to approach this with the knowledge of those who are far more familiar with the genre than I could ever be.

I will promise something - which I would imagine is a question or fear you might have - I will not, nor do I ever, go into this with the intention of ripping the genre a new one, of laughing at or dismissing it, or proving I was right when I said it was this or that or the other. I do these things as honestly and in as bipartisan a way as I can. I always give everyone a chance, and I am more than ready to admit when I have got it wrong, and to change my view of a subject. So while I doubt this article will make me a fan of K-pop, I would hope to gain a better understanding of it, and you can help with that.

You should also know this is not something that I will be rushing out. I have approximately forty journals I am working on at the moment, as well as writing short stories and a novella. Research alone for this will take time, then there's choosing the artists/albums, listening to them, reviewing them... I don't envisage this being ready till probably mid 2023 or even early 2024. I intend and expect it to be a big project.

So, if you're willing to help, great, let me know. If not, perhaps take this at the very least as an olive branch that I am going to try to understand your favourite genre, and see why it's so popular. I don't like to diss anyone's music, and I don't like anyone to think I do, so let's mend this broken fence together. In the immortal words of Richard Milhouse Nixon

Trollheart · 09-29-2022, 08:33 AM

Additional: have now downloaded these books. Any other suggestions welcome.

K-Pop Now! The Korean Music Revolution by James Mark Russell

K-Pop: Popular Music, Cultural Amnesia and Economic Innovation in South Korea by John Lie

K-Pop: The International Rise of the Korean Music Industry by JungBong Choi and Roald Maliangkay

K-Pop Live: Fans, Idols and Multimedia Performance by Suk-Young Kim

Globalizing Popular Music in Korea: Sounding Out K-Pop by Michael Fuhr

K Addict · 10-13-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Message for K-Addict and ChefBrunch (and anyone else interested): if you look back a few pages you'll see I wrote a major article some years ago on the subject of boybands, as part of a series called "Stranger in a Strange Land", the idea being for me to investigate music I was not familiar with. I'm now considering if I should do this with K-pop.

I'm not much use on boybands, although I occasionally post their MVs here.

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09-29-2022, 08:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Message for K-Addict and ChefBrunch (and anyone else interested): if you look back a few pages you'll see I wrote a major article some years ago on the subject of boybands, as part of a series called "Stranger in a Strange Land", the idea being for me to investigate music I was not familiar with. I'm now considering if I should do this with K-pop. The idea is, as it was then, to break the genre up into its various periods (for boybands I had three: original ones such as New Edition, New Kids on the Block etc, boybands at their height (Backstreet Boys, Nsync etc) and "new" bands such as The Wanted and Westlife) and take up to four albums from each, to see what differences, if any, there were, both between the bands and between the periods. The article was written, as you'll see if you look back, as a sort of travelogue, with lots of my usual writing drivel between reviews, and at the end I gave my conclusions. Now I never was any sort of expert on boybands, but I had a vague idea through their music more or less seeping into me by osmosis through things like the radio and shows like American Idol and The X Factor, but other than the handful of albums I skimmed for my thread mentioned elsewhere, I know little to nothing of K-pop. This is where I need your help, guys. Is, as I assume it is, the genre restricted entirely to South Korea, or is it practiced outside of that country's borders? Are there periods/styles/variations I should examine? Which bands are good (iyo) and which are bad? I prefer to feature both, so as to get a balanced review. What do I need to know that I don't know about K-pop, apart from everything? If you're willing to help, offer advice, recommendations, sources, great. If you want to collaborate that's fine too. If you want to tell me where to stick it, well, I've struggled on before without any help from anyone so I won't be insulted and I won't be discouraged. But I would prefer to approach this with the knowledge of those who are far more familiar with the genre than I could ever be. I will promise something - which I would imagine is a question or fear you might have - I will not, nor do I ever, go into this with the intention of ripping the genre a new one, of laughing at or dismissing it, or proving I was right when I said it was this or that or the other. I do these things as honestly and in as bipartisan a way as I can. I always give everyone a chance, and I am more than ready to admit when I have got it wrong, and to change my view of a subject. So while I doubt this article will make me a fan of K-pop, I would hope to gain a better understanding of it, and you can help with that. You should also know this is not something that I will be rushing out. I have approximately forty journals I am working on at the moment, as well as writing short stories and a novella. Research alone for this will take time, then there's choosing the artists/albums, listening to them, reviewing them... I don't envisage this being ready till probably mid 2023 or even early 2024. I intend and expect it to be a big project. So, if you're willing to help, great, let me know. If not, perhaps take this at the very least as an olive branch that I am going to try to understand your favourite genre, and see why it's so popular. I don't like to diss anyone's music, and I don't like anyone to think I do, so let's mend this broken fence together. In the immortal words of Richard Milhouse Nixon __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-29-2022, 08:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Additional: have now downloaded these books. Any other suggestions welcome. K-Pop Now! The Korean Music Revolution by James Mark Russell K-Pop: Popular Music, Cultural Amnesia and Economic Innovation in South Korea by John Lie K-Pop: The International Rise of the Korean Music Industry by JungBong Choi and Roald Maliangkay K-Pop Live: Fans, Idols and Multimedia Performance by Suk-Young Kim Globalizing Popular Music in Korea: Sounding Out K-Pop by Michael Fuhr __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018