The Pop of Today Vs Pop Of Yesterday

listener101 · 03-09-2014, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

But it was the viral video that popularized him here, and brought more K-pop to our attention.
Take One Direction. They came in third on the X Factor and then signed a £2,000,000 deal.

I agree the video was definitely a factor. Likely not the only factor though.

As a fellow Canadian who's a fan of Brian Wilson as well, we should really both try to get over the fact that Gangnam Style is just a pure fun circus stunt which became wildly successful as a fad. It's over. It's not classic art, just an aggressively loud catchy diddy full of character and energy. Party music. It fully deserved to get the love it got because the people loved it for it's spontaneous craziness, and the easy to love charisma of Psy, not for an unrelated standard of complex chords and elaborate melodies.

Here's the challenge for the listener with old school tastes, new school tastes, as well as fans of Psy, or not. Go back to Psy's 2001 release and go through his albums chronologically, listening to each song (using wiki and youtube), and see if there is something more substantial to enjoy. I call it music appreciation 101. One might be surprised at what one finds. Through effort comes appreciation.

Psy Discography :

-PSY from the Psycho World! (2001)
-Ssa2 (2002)
-3 Mi (2002)
-Remake & Mix 18 Beon (2005)
-Ssajib (2006)
-PSYfive (2010)
-Psy 6 (Six Rules), Part 1 (2012)

listener101 · 03-09-2014, 07:25 AM

Question for djchameleon or anyone else : do you think any East Coast DJ's (or any from anywhere in the world) occasionally play Neneh Cherry's 1989 hit Buffalo Stance ? I just heard it again for the first time in awhile and think it's got loads of personality and some interesting shifts throughout the song.

Pet_Sounds · 03-09-2014, 08:53 AM

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K-pop was huge thanks to Youtube for a couple of years before Gangnam Style even came out.

On the other topic of those signing competitions, the acts that come out of them very rarely have any longevity.

Every year a new American Idol gets crowned. They put on one album or two and then they are completely forgotten about.

Did you forget about the existence of Star Search?
These singing competition shows aren't anything new.

I guess the situation was different in my neck of the woods, because as far as I know, K-pop was unheard of around here until that viral video.
And I agree that the signing competition acts disppear quickly. Just about any artists who cater to a small cross-section of the population will. Remember when the Jonas Brothers were the rage? Nobody mentions them anymore.
And Star Search was actually before my time.

Pet_Sounds · 03-09-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by listener101

I agree the video was definitely a factor. Likely not the only factor though.

As a fellow Canadian who's a fan of Brian Wilson as well, we should really both try to get over the fact that Gangnam Style is just a pure fun circus stunt which became wildly successful as a fad. It's over. It's not classic art, just an aggressively loud catchy diddy full of character and energy. Party music. It fully deserved to get the love it got because the people loved it for it's spontaneous craziness, and the easy to love charisma of Psy, not for an unrelated standard of complex chords and elaborate melodies.

Here's the challenge for the listener with old school tastes, new school tastes, as well as fans of Psy, or not. Go back to Psy's 2001 release and go through his albums chronologically, listening to each song (using wiki and youtube), and see if there is something more substantial to enjoy. I call it music appreciation 101. One might be surprised at what one finds. Through effort comes appreciation.

Psy Discography :

-PSY from the Psycho World! (2001)
-Ssa2 (2002)
-3 Mi (2002)
-Remake & Mix 18 Beon (2005)
-Ssajib (2006)
-PSYfive (2010)
-Psy 6 (Six Rules), Part 1 (2012)

Honestly, I don't think I'd survive all of the synth. It's OK when done tastefully, like the Moog on Abbey Road, but the overload of it on Gangnam Style really gets under my skin.

Alaska · 03-10-2014, 08:11 PM

It really comes down to your music taste and how small your appreciation for other music is.

Pop is supposed to be a formulaic, catchy, mindless bop.

listener101 · 03-11-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alaska

Pop is supposed to be a formulaic, catchy, mindless bop.

Most of the time, correct. But it would be nice to hear something more substantive in the charts once in a while, as they did have that sort of artistic depth and edginess in the charts fairly often in the past (1966-1995).

neardeathexperience · 03-11-2014, 05:18 PM

I'll take those top 40 hits from the Summer of 65 pretty much over anything that has come out in the last 15 years!

Alaska · 03-11-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by listener101

Most of the time, correct. But it would be nice to hear something more substantive in the charts once in a while, as they did have that sort of artistic depth and edginess in the charts fairly often in the past (1966-1995).

Again, it comes down to your music taste.
You could say that the Beatles made deep music and someone could say they were pretty simple.

When you check the Billboard charts, the only time music sounded "generic" was back in 2009/2010.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 03-11-2014, 06:53 PM

BTW where'd galt go?

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Browse through some of the videos I've shown.

If you like Jimi Hendrix you'll like this. Frankly I think this particular tune is an improvement on anything Hendrix did, though I admit much of my reasoning for that is because Kevin Parker's got a nicer singing voice.

If you like the Beatles you'll like this (same band).

And as I said before, as much as I love the Beach Boys I don't think Brian Wilson could have thought of something like this. Part of it's the tools available at the time, but not all of it. This is more complex than I think Wilson would ever have been comfortable with.

LISTEN to each of these a few times and then I dare you to come back and tell me they suck.

Pet_Sounds · 03-11-2014, 08:15 PM

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BTW where'd galt go?

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03-09-2014, 07:25 AM	#192 (permalink)
listener101 Groupie Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 27	Question for djchameleon or anyone else : do you think any East Coast DJ's (or any from anywhere in the world) occasionally play Neneh Cherry's 1989 hit Buffalo Stance ? I just heard it again for the first time in awhile and think it's got loads of personality and some interesting shifts throughout the song.

03-10-2014, 08:11 PM	#195 (permalink)
Alaska Groupie Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 11	It really comes down to your music taste and how small your appreciation for other music is. Pop is supposed to be a formulaic, catchy, mindless bop.

03-11-2014, 05:18 PM	#197 (permalink)
neardeathexperience Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 531	I'll take those top 40 hits from the Summer of 65 pretty much over anything that has come out in the last 15 years!