The Beatles Indian influenced music Prog? (metal, pop, punk, reggae)

Zinnser · 03-21-2009, 01:19 PM

The Beatles were certainly progressive when especially George Harrison was working at a sophisticated level of extrapolating Indian scales to the Western setting, something no one else had done in rock music as compared to efforts like the Byrds or the Yardbirds. "Love You To", which is certainly derived from classical Indian, "Within You Without You", "The Inner Light", and even "Norwegian Wood" follows the raga khamaj avarohana is an unaltered raga.

One more song " Blue Jay Way,” was conceived on the harmonium but is more significant in that it reveals the depth of Harrison’s understanding of Indian music, as well as his ability to express it in a pop context. The opening sequence of notes imposes part of the scale from an Indian raga called “Marwa” onto a basic C-major chord. He uses notes that are dissonant in the C-major setting (E-flat and F-sharp), pivoting them around a C-diminished chord. It certainly was not rock ‘n’ roll, and the quality of his work was now to be found in the details-not in the immediate impact. Perhaps this is why this example of Harrison radically pushing the songwriting envelope is rarely discussed in such terms.

jackhammer · 03-21-2009, 01:49 PM

Oh joy, another fucking Beatles thread and how all modern music wouldn't exist without them yada, yada, yada.

Rainard Jalen · 03-21-2009, 02:03 PM

It's all about these guys:

Yep, The Undertakers. Without them there woulda been NO Beatles, NO Zappa, NO Floyd, NO Led Zep. Metal, Prog, Punk, Krautrock, Disco, New Wave, everything you've ever enjoyed listening to, would simply never have come into existence. So suck on that, next time you're listening to your derivative, indebted favs.

jackhammer · 03-21-2009, 02:06 PM

Apart from Reggae

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-21-2009, 02:41 PM

And yet Paint It Black pre-dates all those songs you mentioned.

Zinnser · 03-21-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

And yet Paint It Black pre-dates all those songs you mentioned.

Actually "Norwegian Wood" pre-dates "Paint it Black" and Brian Jones was influenced by Harrison use of the sitar. That's not what this was all about who did what first either as it is Harrison was using classical Indian elements anyway if you know the difference. All I asked whether you think there use of classical Indian was prog. Why the venom towards the Beatles? If you don't respect the question then don't comment. Nice way to welcome someone new.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-21-2009, 04:23 PM

OK i was wrong on one.

And what venom? I just think it's a better song thats all.

dac · 03-22-2009, 02:12 AM

It's obvious Radiohead went back in time and invented all music, I don't know why people ignore this obvious truth.

Seltzer · 03-22-2009, 02:21 AM

I'll never understand why MB is so tantalising for schizophrenics...

/sends off PM

The Monkey · 03-22-2009, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

And yet Paint It Black pre-dates all those songs you mentioned.

And See My Friends pre-dates that one.

03-21-2009, 01:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Zinnser Groupie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4	The Beatles Indian influenced music Prog? The Beatles were certainly progressive when especially George Harrison was working at a sophisticated level of extrapolating Indian scales to the Western setting, something no one else had done in rock music as compared to efforts like the Byrds or the Yardbirds. "Love You To", which is certainly derived from classical Indian, "Within You Without You", "The Inner Light", and even "Norwegian Wood" follows the raga khamaj avarohana is an unaltered raga. One more song " Blue Jay Way,” was conceived on the harmonium but is more significant in that it reveals the depth of Harrison’s understanding of Indian music, as well as his ability to express it in a pop context. The opening sequence of notes imposes part of the scale from an Indian raga called “Marwa” onto a basic C-major chord. He uses notes that are dissonant in the C-major setting (E-flat and F-sharp), pivoting them around a C-diminished chord. It certainly was not rock ‘n’ roll, and the quality of his work was now to be found in the details-not in the immediate impact. Perhaps this is why this example of Harrison radically pushing the songwriting envelope is rarely discussed in such terms.

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