Music Banter - New prog

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Originally Posted by Demonoid (Post 578197)

And what about Tool?:D
Some of these metal bands aren't metal just for the sake of it. Their music is as progressive as any other band here tbh. They definitely do deserve to be in there if Battles, Muse or Coheed & Cambria could make it. Oh well, it's just a poll anyways. Not that these results matter to me :p:.

..and Porcupine Tree are virtually a Prog Metal band now! Oh Well, maybe I should do a prog Metal poll :D

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 578159)

And I like The Secret Machines, I'm not sure weither people consider them prog or not so I didn't include them, though I was considering it.

Should I add them?

Yeah, I would. They're somewhat heavy, but their music is quite spacey/progressive for the most part, and if you listen carefully you'll catch other kinds of influences as well. :p:

What's strange to me, though, is that they formed in Dallas, TX. :crazy:

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 578204)

I agree it's nice to have talented musicians, but just because a band doesn't have "the best" drummer in prog doesn't mean they should be dismissed. It's not about the talent, it's what you do with it.

I agree, and who said a band sucked just because they don't have the best musicians? I surely didn't.

I like Tool, a lot. Adam Jones is an underrated guitarist, certainly not the best. Carey is great, but he's not the best prog drummer, that's just my opinion, though if we're talking technical skill wise, it's also a fact.

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 578211)

..and Porcupine Tree are virtually a Prog Metal band now! Oh Well, maybe I should do a prog Metal poll :D

I probably wouldn't call PT any particular kind of prog, they mix many styles and metal is just one of them, they are in a bit of a metal phase right now but they're a constantly evolving band. Their early material is more space rock, their late 90s/early 00s stuff is more melodic prog.

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 578250)

I agree, and who said a band sucked just because they don't have the best musicians? I surely didn't.

I know but when people say "I pick this band cuz they have the best drummer" to me it comes across as them not taking the music completely into account.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 577893)

The best drummer in prog. is Bill Bruford, followed closely by Neil Pert. Danny Carey isn't bad or anything, but there's just too much history out there to agree with that kind of statement...

But then again, most prog. drummers don't hold a candle to the drummers in most of the jazz/jazz-fusion bands I listen to, so the argument is irrelevant. :p:

I agree, I havent heard a Jazz or jazz-rock group without an insane drummer; john marshall, elvin jones, jack dejhonette, tony williams, the list goes on.

As a matter of fact, pretty much all of the jazz/jazz-rock musicians are amazing.

But I had asked about Tool, because I was a little bit suprised that I was the only one here who voted for them so far...

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 578171)

lol, and which prog band is NOT too pretentious?

A lot of prog bands aren't too pretentious. My problem with Tool is the whole thing about the way they do their albums and how they decide not to do anything on stage so people can focus on the music. Plus, Maynard's a ****.

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...not that being pretentious is necessarily a bad thing.

It isn't. Too much is a turn off though.

Also, I still would like to ask for the mention of Pure Reason Revolution:

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I meant to vote TMV, but I since they are winning I guess I can bear picking Coheed.

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Originally Posted by gunnels (Post 592278)

I meant to vote TMV, but I since they are winning I guess I can bear picking Coheed.

This isn't really a competition, just a gauge of the board's tastes.

Ocean-fucking-size.

Battles comes in a close second though.

I really enjoy Coheed and Cambria's music. I have seen them in concert a few times, they put on a good show. Also i really like the story line behind the music, and how the comic books came out before the band did. Claudio created a new dimension of the musical back story that (as far as i know) has not been done to that degree before them.